T-Monay820 Wrote:I'm done. Michael is just being retarded again with his useless "causes". He once again confuses words and tries to play off of definitions and tries to bend them to his liking (ex: red light cameras).

useless causes? my god, if you don't agree, it must be useless. i dislike anti-abortion groups, but i don't think they are pushing a useless cause.

Also, if my cause is so useless, how come there are countless numbers of anti-serice learning requirement essays all over the internet? I guess those people are just crackpots. You advocate smaller government, but you are anti-abortion, pro-red light cameras, and pro-service learning requirement. How dare you call yourself a conservative. Maybe instead of reading ann coulter you should read some real columnists.

flyingswoosh Wrote:including our town council, which you and your family hold in such high esteem.

I rest my case on your ignorance.

flyingswoosh Wrote:You advocate smaller government, but you are anti-abortion, pro-red light cameras, and pro-service learning requirement. How dare you call yourself a conservative. Maybe instead of reading ann coulter you should read some real columnists.

Like I already told you once, in the economic sector you moron. And since when did reading one book by Coulter mean that that is all I read you dumb***. Once again thank you for providing evidence supporting your ignorance.

flyingswoosh Wrote:what is the point of going to school?

Game, Set, Match. :eek:

T-Monay820 Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:You advocate smaller government, but you are anti-abortion, pro-red light cameras, and pro-service learning requirement.  How dare you call yourself a conservative.  Maybe instead of reading ann coulter you should read some real columnists.

Like I already told you once, in the economic sector you moron. And since when did reading one book by Coulter mean that that is all I read you dumb***. Once again thank you for providing evidence supporting your ignorance.

when was the last time you went to JWR, and read real columnists?

is this Phd ignorant also?

<a href='http://www.antonnews.com/portwashingtonnews/2003/01/31/opinion/' target='_blank'>http://www.antonnews.com/portwashingtonnew.../01/31/opinion/</a>

i guess professors at GW are ignorant, too. :rolleyes:

georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:what is the point of going to school?

Game, Set, Match. :eek:

actually, i was asking for a definition. And the answer is so you can learn the skills to succeed, which doing SL hours doesn't teach you.

flyingswoosh Wrote:when was the last time you went to JWR, and read real columnists?

Since when did JWR become the only place to read conservative writers? Ever heard of Thomas Friendman? George Will? All available in the Herald-Sun. :chair:

T-Monay820 Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:when was the last time you went to JWR, and read real columnists?

Since when did JWR become the only place to read conservative writers? Ever heard of Thomas Friendman? George Will? All available in the Herald-Sun. :chair:

where do you think george will writes? Good read the herald sun. please. :rolleyes:

i have another question, is anything really mandatory, under your definition? When you have a mandatory football practice, you can choose not to go, correct? but if you don't go, you'll probably get kicked off the team, or will be punished severely. So, is that practice considered mandatory? you don't have to go, do you? Please enlighten me on this.

another website:

<a href='http://www.shs.springfield.k12.il.us/newspaper/archives/newspaper98/novweb/viewpoints/comm.html' target='_blank'>http://www.shs.springfield.k12.il.us/newsp...oints/comm.html</a>

<a href='http://www.fff.org/freedom/0997c.asp' target='_blank'>http://www.fff.org/freedom/0997c.asp</a>

<a href='http://www.dailycal.org/article.php?id=2494' target='_blank'>http://www.dailycal.org/article.php?id=2494</a>

flyingswoosh Wrote:i have another question, is anything really mandatory, under your definition? When you have a mandatory football practice, you can choose not to go, correct? but if you don't go, you'll probably get kicked off the team, or will be punished severely. So, is that practice considered mandatory? you don't have to go, do you? Please enlighten me on this.

come on , wriggle your way out of this one. The jew just called check mate.

So...what does mandatory really mean? Under your definition, the word mandatory has been wrongly used for many years, by all sorts of brilliant people.

T-Monay820 Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:when was the last time you went to JWR, and read real columnists?

Since when did JWR become the only place to read conservative writers? Ever heard of Thomas Friendman? George Will? All available in the Herald-Sun. :chair:

friedman is a moderate.

Ooo...me likes this thread. For my AP Language class next year we have to do an essay over the summer, and this is one of the topics we can choose from.

My view...

I can see what Tmoney is saying, but making volunteer work a requirement is completely defeating its purpose. If any of you have ever read the book A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess, the government in that novel "makes people good" by forcing it upon them; the people they are changing don't actually want to or choose to become good, nor do they believe what is being put inside their heads. Instead, they avoid evil only because it causes them pain. The result in the novel, then, is a society in which good prospers, but it is false good. The question of which holds more importance, good or truth, is then formulated. Do we want a world full of false goodness, or do we want truth? The same can be said about the volunteer work; do we want teenagers to volunteer for the wrong reasons and view their work as a "requirement" rather than a "gift," or do we want teenagers to learn to volunteer out of their own free will and thus learn the true meanings of their actions? If the school wants to use mandatory volunteer work as a way to teach students values associated with helping others, it's not the right way to go. Better people are not necessarily going to be made by forcing them to do work which they have little time or interest for. The school system should spend their time educating students in ways that will make us want to volunteer, like teaching us how to interact and relate to others (consequently, we learn this in school by the social element of education, but it is not always in the way that would be preferable [in terms of making us desire volunteer work]).

I think what you have to do with this situation is take the word volunteer completely out of it. What high schools are saying is we would like you to complete 50 hours of work for the community or our school. Then, it is acceptable. You need to look at this as a requirement to earn a diploma, not as a service. That is what T_Monay is saying, and I agree that requiring community work is appropriate in high schools. It is just like having to complete a Math or History requirement. But the key here is to take out the word "voluntary." There is nothing wrong with that. And swoosh, if you think that is slavery, then boy I would like to see you back in the day.

cbfranchise3 Wrote:I think what you have to do with this situation is take the word volunteer completely out of it. What high schools are saying is we would like you to complete 50 hours of work for the community or our school. Then, it is acceptable. You need to look at this as a requirement to earn a diploma, not as a service. That is what T_Monay is saying, and I agree that requiring community work is appropriate in high schools. It is just like having to complete a Math or History requirement. But the key here is to take out the word "voluntary." There is nothing wrong with that. And swoosh, if you think that is slavery, then boy I would like to see you back in the day.

that whole post is wrong. Is forced work any better that forced volunteerism? Taking a math or history lesson is for your own good, work service is supposed to be done for other people.

Also, doing work for the community, is called community service, and it's not ok, if it's forced upon you. Because then it is mandatory, although tmonay has changed the meaning of the word mandatory, so i have no idea how to use it anymore.

it would be okay, if schools made a vocational studies class, where you have to do 50 hours of an internship, and then in class you learn more about that particular trade. And maybe at the end you write an essay explaining what you learned, or something. But forced work without learning anything, is pointless, and most kids would look for the easiest ways to get 50 hours. All your idea does, is make kids not want to work.