Liar Liar

Kerry referenced families collecting money for a son to have body armor to protect him in Iraq. Isn't that IRONIC since he was one of four senators that voted against the $87billion appropriation bill to pay for body armor for soldiers in Iraq.

Kerry said he would support new weapons systems to make our military the best equipped. His voting record indicates that he voted AGAINST every major weapon system now in use in Iraq. Kerry is this a FLIP or a FLOP?

In a recent speech Kerry said he believed that life begins at conception. Last night Kerry said he would increase Stem Cell research. Sounds Pro-Abortion to me. Kerry is this a FLIP or a FLOP?

Kerry said the U.S. Constitution should not be used as a divisive document, a veiled reference to Legalized Gay Marriage. Last night Kerry did not say he believed that Marriage should be between a Man and Woman, but in previous speeches he did. Kerry is this a FLIP or a FLOP?

By the way without a new FEDERAL LAW defining Marriage between a Man and a Woman, it will ultimately be defined by the courts, likely against the will of the majority.

Kerry's Pro-Abortion and Gay Rights views go against the teachings of his own church. If he really believes in the values of his church, why not stand up for those beliefs? Does not sound like a man of deep faith to me. Kerry is this a FLIP or a FLOP?

Kerry's faith as he shows in his actions goes against most mainstream Christians.

Impossible promises

Kerry referenced tax incentives to export jobs. If there was such a ridiculous item in the tax code Dem's would be quoting it, it doesn't exist. Kerry can't stop the job exports there are no tax incentives possible to offset the 90% labor savings overseas.

Kerry said he would reform the U.S. Intelligence Agencies immediately. To me immediately means in the first thirty days in office. This ain't possible as the Heads of these agencies must be approved by congress, policies governing these agencies must be approved by congress and these things take time.

Title should have read They call him Flipper, that's what I get for posting this early in the morning.

Kerry also wondered aloud on the Senate floor in '97 about the viability of our Intelligence community - why, he wondered, were we funding intelligence overseas SINCE THE COLD WAR WAS OVER. This is the guy that now tells us he can be a strong Commander In Chief?

LOVED the speech last night. Basically, Kerry wants us to believe that after his 4 month tour in Vietnam back in '70, he immediately jumped in a time machine to today. What happened in the 30 years in between? A Senate record he's trying desparately to run away from, that's what.

I agree, Senator: it takes more than rhetoric to be a President. Your record speaks for itself.

THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:By the way without a new FEDERAL LAW defining Marriage between a Man and a Woman, it will ultimately be defined by the courts, likely against the will of the majority.

or maybe it can be a state law and the feds can worry about important issues

Fanatical Wrote:

THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:By the way without a new FEDERAL LAW defining Marriage between a Man and a Woman, it will ultimately be defined by the courts, likely against the will of the majority.

or maybe it can be a state law and the feds can worry about important issues

That would be great except for that pesky "full faith and credit" thing. :rolleyes:

I believe Zel Miller summed up Kerry pretty good:

"John Kerry served 4 months in Vietnam, and they heroic months. John Kerry has also served 20 years in Senate- and his record is anything BUT heroic"

John Kerry voted repeatedly against every weapons system that is playing a vital role in our war on Terror. John Kerry voted repeatedly against reforms and increased intelligence funding. John Kerry voted repeatedly against funding our military, which includes soldier compensation, higher pay, greater armor, and better technology. John Kerry has voted 72 times in favor of pro-abortion laws, including a law that does not protect the mother or baby in case of an attack on her.

John Kerry can talk all he wants, but he can't run from his voting record, and it's going to expose him for the fraud he is.

John Kerry is not fit to run this country.

Why did Kerry vote against the body armor?????? Was it to have the tax cuts rescinded to pay for the body armor???????????????? Could it be that Kerry tried to get the 79 billion paid for instead of taking out a loan from China and Japan????? Could that be???? Could that be?????


Your talking points from the GOP hold no water when their held up to the light of TRUTH. Kerry tried to get the appropiations paid by REPEALING THE TAX CUTS that should have never have seen the light of day.

Dogger Wrote:Why did Kerry vote against the body armor?????? Was it to have the tax cuts rescinded to pay for the body armor???????????????? Could it be that Kerry tried to get the 79 billion paid for instead of taking out a loan from China and Japan????? Could that be???? Could that be?????


Your talking points from the GOP hold no water when their held up to the light of TRUTH. Kerry tried to get the appropiations paid by REPEALING THE TAX CUTS that should have never have seen the light of day.

The truth?

Kerry voted against the 89 million dollar funding OF OUR MILITARY.

Kerry's thoughts on the matter? "It's a complicated matter"

As President Bush pointed out today- there is NOTHING complicated about giving our military the funds for protection and firepower they need to succeed.

BTW- Here is a rundown of Kerry's voting record on intelligence.

1994: Proposed Bill To Gut $1 Billion From Intelligence And Freeze Spending For Two Major Intelligence Programs. Kerry proposed a bill cutting $1 billion from the budgets of the National Foreign Intelligence Program and from Tactical Intelligence, and freezing their budgets. The bill did not make it to a vote, but the language was later submitted (and defeated – see below) as S. Amdt. 1452 to H.R. 3759. (S. 1826, Introduced 2/3/94)

1995: Proposed Bill Cutting $1.5 Billion From Intelligence Budget. Kerry introduced a bill that would “reduce the Intelligence budget by $300 million in each of fiscal years 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, and 2000.

Dogger Wrote:Why did Kerry vote against the body armor?????? Was it to have the tax cuts rescinded to pay for the body armor???????????????? Could it be that Kerry tried to get the 79 billion paid for instead of taking out a loan from China and Japan????? Could that be???? Could that be?????


Your talking points from the GOP hold no water when their held up to the light of TRUTH. Kerry tried to get the appropiations paid by REPEALING THE TAX CUTS that should have never have seen the light of day.

So what you're saying is that John Kerry, in all his arrogant glory, chose to hold our soldiers hostage, risking their safety by depriving them of needed equipment, because he was trying to make a point about TAX CUTS?

Please, please, PLEASE don't try and lecture us about the truth after that sham of a convention trying to reinvent your candidate before our very eyes. But in your defense, after watching John Kerry speak for 45 minutes, I had a hard time differentiating fact from fiction myself.

John Kerry's entire election persona is a fabrication - in other words, he's a LIVING LIE.

Knight and Carl,

I've reached the conclusion that logic and reason cannot be used when talking to Doggey. He doesn't like facts so he makes up his own.

So I'll go ahead and respond for him to your posts.

A hem......

NU UH!!!!! BUSH LIED!! BUSH LIED!!! HALLIBURTON!!! HALLIBURTON!!!! :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

For all the energy spent or being spent by the Hollywood liberals and democratic party yelling about Bush lying, it appears in the end that it is in fact Kerry and the democrats lying and looking stupid.

Michael Moore's movie has been discredited, and it's regarded as just a piece of liberal propoganda crap.

John Kerry lies everytime he opens his mouth- because no matter what he says on the issues, there will always be a voting record to reflect his *real* stance on the issue at hand.

And finally there is a book titled "Unfit for Command". It was written by 20 Vietnam Veterans who served with Kerry in the same division, and are calling him out for falsifying his claims about his actions in Vietnam, including lying about the incidents that led to 2 of his Purple hearts.

The Swift Boat Veterans will take this book on tour with 250 other anti-Kerry Veterans to inform people about the real John Kerry, and his real actions in Vietnam.

o little niner,

Please do not attempt to talk for me. Bush lied many times and on many occasions. In his lead up to the Iraq war. In his stewardship of the economy he has told us many times his tax cuts would lead to job creations. He has misled us. He is the thief in cheif. Now if you don't think Cheney's Haliburton ties did not lead us into this war. I respectfully disagree. I would feel alot better about this situation if Cheney wasn't tied to Haliburton like he is. I and many people around the world fear this administration. We have lost our standing in the world. I know you Repoobs don't care about that, but I would like for you to send your loved ones to gaurd Fallujah. Would you sacrifice your loved ones for W's war.

Dogger Wrote:Kerry tried to get the appropiations paid by REPEALING THE TAX CUTS that should have never have seen the light of day.

If you don't think you are paying enough taxes then feel free to send in the additional taxes you feel you should be paying. I'm sure the government will glady accept.

Dogger Wrote:I know you Repoobs don't care about that,  but I would like for you to send your loved ones to gaurd Fallujah.  Would you sacrifice your loved ones for W's war.

Well, let's hear what you'd be willing to fight for...anything? Seems to me the latest liberal stance is to take the UN policy of World-Unity-Through-Spineless-Isolationism. We'll all agree that it's a bad idea when nasty little things happen to countries that are not our own, and we'll make declarations saying as much, but we won't actually do anything about it. Unless the US foots the majority of the bill.

I guess if France and Germany had said, "We'll help", then you would be ok with sending our troops to Iraq? So all foreign policy should receive the Europe approval before we move forward. Hey, I'm all for trying to build coalitions, but you can't stop a course of action that you believe is correct just because other countries have their own reasons to not want to help. But I forgot, this is the party that admires their former president that based his entire presidency on opinion polls (Clinton, in case you try to spin that as well).

No, no...we shouldn't do anything because we think it's the right thing to do...we should only do things that will make us popular... :rolleyes:

The Knight Time Wrote:John Kerry can talk all he wants, but he can't run from his voting record, and it's going to expose him for the fraud he is.

John Kerry is not fit to run this country.

The problem for your side is that the record that will be under debate the rest of this year is not Kerry's senatorial record but Bush's presidential record. Outside of you true believers, that's an argument that can't be won.

Kerry was brilliant last night -- not so much for what he said, but for how he said it. He passed the "human" test easily, and did so by using a tone that made him appear quite presidential. He's going to use that same kind of poise (and superior intellect) to tear your mealy-mouthed boy a new one in the debates this fall.

Dogger Wrote:Please do not attempt to talk for me.

Given what followed the above statement Doggey seems I did a pretty good job. :laugh:

Quote:I know you Repoobs don't care about that,  but I would like for you to send your loved ones to gaurd Fallujah.  Would you sacrifice your loved ones for W's war.

Thanks Michael Moore. That statement is as lame now as it was when he said it a few days ago on O'Reilly.

However the fact is, our army is a VOLUNTEER army. I don't, and can't, send anyone anywhere. They go because they volunteered.

Keep looking to Moore for your talking points little doggey. You make a great lap dog for Moore and the looney left. :laugh:

Socko Wiethe Wrote:He's going to use that same kind of poise (and superior intellect) to tear your mealy-mouthed boy a new one in the debates this fall.

Yeah, kind of like that steel tongued Ann Richards did, and kind of like the brilliant Al Gore did. You guys just keep underestimating George W. It works for us.

I look forward to this almost as much as I look forward to my Tigers "debating" the Rebels on September 4. I can't wait for either event.

Socko Wiethe Wrote:

The Knight Time Wrote:John Kerry can talk all he wants, but he can't run from his voting record, and it's going to expose him for the fraud he is.

John Kerry is not fit to run this country.

The problem for your side is that the record that will be under debate the rest of this year is not Kerry's senatorial record but Bush's presidential record. Outside of you true believers, that's an argument that can't be won.

Kerry was brilliant last night -- not so much for what he said, but for how he said it. He passed the "human" test easily, and did so by using a tone that made him appear quite presidential. He's going to use that same kind of poise (and superior intellect) to tear your mealy-mouthed boy a new one in the debates this fall.

Really?

I think Kerry should be more concerened about how he is going to either duck or explain his constant contradictions, especially when it comes to his outright neglect of our intelligence and defense bills.

Perhaps he can also explain why out of 43 intelligence committee meetings, he missed 38 of them.

He sounds really dedicated, doesn't he?

He better hope Bush lays off him for a minute in the debates, since Bush will expose him one contradiction and lie at a time.

Dogger Wrote:o little niner,

Please do not attempt to talk for me. Bush lied many times and on many occasions. In his lead up to the Iraq war. In his stewardship of the economy he has told us many times his tax cuts would lead to job creations. He has misled us. He is the thief in cheif. Now if you don't think Cheney's Haliburton ties did not lead us into this war. I respectfully disagree. I would feel alot better about this situation if Cheney wasn't tied to Haliburton like he is. I and many people around the world fear this administration. We have lost our standing in the world. I know you Repoobs don't care about that, but I would like for you to send your loved ones to gaurd Fallujah. Would you sacrifice your loved ones for W's war.

3 problems with you Haliburton argument:

1. There is no company in world capable of rebuilding the Iraqi oil infastructure EXCEPT Haliburton. Find a company that can and you have an argument.

2. The only company that even comes close to Haliburton's capabilities is a company called Schlumberger - a FRENCH owned company with 2 notable Americans on the board: John Deutche (former CIA director pardoned by Clinton as he left office) and (drum roll please) Jamie Gorelick.

3. Haliburton received tons of contracts overseas under President Clinton - were he and Dick Cheney in cahoots?

The Haliburton crap is so, so weak. I hope Edwards comes after Cheney on it...the Vice President will eat him alive.

Would I sacrifice my loved ones (or as Mikey Moore says "my children") for Fallujah? Of course not. No human being would "sacrifice" their child for Fallujah, or any other war.

People sacrifice THEMSELVES, chowderhead. There aren't any "children" from an age standpoint serving in Iraq, and every single one of them volunteered for military service themselves.

The premise of the question is false, therefore it's a bogus question designed to bait people on an emotional level. Nice try.

The Knight Time Wrote:

Socko Wiethe Wrote:

The Knight Time Wrote:John Kerry can talk all he wants, but he can't run from his voting record, and it's going to expose him for the fraud he is.

John Kerry is not fit to run this country.

The problem for your side is that the record that will be under debate the rest of this year is not Kerry's senatorial record but Bush's presidential record. Outside of you true believers, that's an argument that can't be won.

Kerry was brilliant last night -- not so much for what he said, but for how he said it. He passed the "human" test easily, and did so by using a tone that made him appear quite presidential. He's going to use that same kind of poise (and superior intellect) to tear your mealy-mouthed boy a new one in the debates this fall.

Really?

I think Kerry should be more concerened about how he is going to either duck or explain his constant contradictions, especially when it comes to his outright neglect of our intelligence and defense bills.

Perhaps he can also explain why out of 43 intelligence committee meetings, he missed 38 of them.

He sounds really dedicated, doesn't he?

He better hope Bush lays off him for a minute in the debates, since Bush will expose him one contradiction and lie at a time.

Again, that may work with those who believe in Bush, but the majority of Americans have a lot of questions about what Bush has done.

I detest the M.O. of this administration -- take the emphasis off of questions they can't answer by going ahead and smearing the people who are asking them. No surprise that's where Bush headed again yesterday.

But it was also wickedly ironic to hear Bush trot out that new slogan yesterday, "Results matter." Talk about a double standard. Conservatives may love Bush because of his ideologies, but as the man says, "Results matter."

That's what we'll be talking about this fall, and that's why Bush will ultimately be headed back to Texas (and not on one of those oh-so-frequent vacations the man has specialized in like no president before him, for those who want to question Kerry's dedication to his job).