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CBS) This Against the Grain commentary was written by CBSNews.com's Dick Meyer.
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"We are a nation in danger."

- President George W. Bush,
August 2, 2004


I don’t buy it.

I think America in 2004 is about as far removed from fundamental danger as any nation in history has ever been. We may be scared, but we are, in fact, safe. Safe, at least, by any reasonable historic measure.

No other country on earth has military might even close to ours. Has such a global monopoly on armed power ever existed? Has any nation had less to fear from its neighbors and foreign armies?

Modern America does know real danger. The nuclear duel of the Cold War was real danger. America is safer than it was when the Soviet Union existed. The threat of nuclear proliferation, of a nuclear attack from a small state or terrorists, existed then, too. The country is probably better prepared to prevent that now.

We are safer from plague, pestilence, famine and weather than any of our ancestors ever were.

We have one of the most stable governments in human history. There is no risk of a dictator, a Gestapo or a civil war.

I'm quite certain that I've never been accused of being an optimist. But even I can't accept the dark, frightened dictate the president issued, ironically, from the Rose Garden.

America does have enemies - crazy, sadistic, tenacious, growing and wily enemies. America is an open and ethnically diverse society with vast borders, huge tourism and immigration.

So the country is of course vulnerable to terrorism. After 9/11, Americans feel that acutely and perhaps that is sad. But no one in government underestimates the country's vulnerability or the power of the unconventional enemy.

This does not, however, add up to a nation in danger. It adds up to something that sounds too callous for politicians to say out loud. America is vulnerable to the tragedy and trauma of a terrorists attacks. There is a much more remote danger of an act of terror with a nuclear device that could eclipse 9/11. But there is no danger of the equivalent of war on our soil, of mass loss of life, of a crippled economy, disrupted civilian life and destabilized government.

Israel is in danger. Palestinians are in danger. Iraq is in danger. Sudan is in danger. Colombia is in danger. America is not in danger.

And America is not at war.

What happened in Afghanistan and Iraq was war. We should have stuck to that old-fashioned use of the word war. The battle now and ahead with the evildoers is not likely to be helped by calling it war any longer.

Perhaps it was necessary to use the rhetoric of war after 9/11 to marshal an adequate and swift response to the newly real threat. Perhaps. We’ve had wars on crime, a war on drugs and even a war on poverty. Why not a war on terror? There is no intrinsic reason why not.

But war, and even war rhetoric, can rationalize unwise and uncharacteristic choices at home – restricted civil liberties, plundered treasury, over-reaching bureaucracy, fear-mongering, and misplaced secrecy. Both the administration and the opposition party have bungled that balance; the glaring example of that is the dishonest case that was sold and bought for invading Iraq. Both sides have squandered credibility.

"War" is a word that ends arguments. So is "danger." The president has tried to sell a lot of policy by saying it was necessary because we are at war and in danger and so have the Democrats.

We don’t need to declare ourselves "a nation in danger" or "a nation at war" to carefully reform the intelligence bureaucracy, to respond to discovered plots and threats, to catch terrorists or to get other nations to help our cause.

We don’t need to be a nation of crybabies or a nation that cries wolf.


Dick Meyer, a veteran political and investigative producer for CBS News, is the Editorial Director of CBSNews.com, based in Washington.
08-05-2004 02:14 PM
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so is this guy saying we are safer than what Bush says we are. Isn't that a good thing?
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Yeah, I'm sick of thinking that we are in danger. Lets go back to complacency.
08-05-2004 02:43 PM
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Hmmmm...he's not in the military. He's not in the intelligence community. He's not in law enforcement. He's a producer for CBS News. Yet we should just listen to him and nobody else for advice on how to deal with terrorist threats? That's funny. He should be a comedian instead of a producer.
08-05-2004 02:53 PM
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He's right.

What capabilities do these terrorists really have anyways? SO WHAT if we found plans to attack our nation, what can they really do anyways??

Afterall, this man is obviously involved in classified military affairs, well enough to inform us that the U.S. is completely safe.

-Sarcasm Over-

This man needs to pull his head out of his @$$. That is the most idiotic, ignorant article I've read in quite a while.

Once again, a liberal screaming about Bush just trying to scare us.

Afterall, who REALLY wants to harm Americans? :rolleyes:
08-05-2004 03:57 PM
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Trooper Wrote:And America is not at war.
Tell that to our boys in Afghanistan and Iraq who are involved in fire fights with insurgence and Al Quieda fighters.

I'm sure they'd agree with you. :rolleyes:

This man should be fired for this piece of $hit.
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The Knight Time Wrote:
Trooper Wrote:And America is not at war.
Tell that to our boys in Afghanistan and Iraq who are involved in fire fights with insurgence and Al Quieda fighters.

I'm sure they'd agree with you. :rolleyes:

This man should be fired for this piece of $hit.
From the article................


"What happened in Afghanistan and Iraq was war. We should have stuck to that old-fashioned use of the word war. The battle now and ahead with the evildoers is not likely to be helped by calling it war any longer."

Do you ever read anything that's posted or do you just start typing when your knee starts jerking?
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Trooper Wrote:
The Knight Time Wrote:
Trooper Wrote:And America is not at war.
Tell that to our boys in Afghanistan and Iraq who are involved in fire fights with insurgence and Al Quieda fighters.

I'm sure they'd agree with you. :rolleyes:

This man should be fired for this piece of $hit.
From the article................


"What happened in Afghanistan and Iraq was war. We should have stuck to that old-fashioned use of the word war. The battle now and ahead with the evildoers is not likely to be helped by calling it war any longer."

Do you ever read anything that's posted or do you just start typing when your knee starts jerking?
WTF are you talking about?

What should we call it?

Tapdancing with the enemy? "Exchanging Rounds with terrorism"???

Bull ****.

The liberals simply want to sugarcoat the intense but EFFECTIVE campaign we're waging on terorism, and to desensitize it by not attaching the word "war" on it.

Why?

Because they know John Kerry is a weak *** leader when it comes to national defense, as proved by his defense voting record.

Like I said, as long as our troops are taking on fire and are using battle-combat techniques- it will be war, whether a liberal writer likes it or not.
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I agree with the author. Do terrorists pose a threat? Yes. But, as I stated on a thread a long time ago, they do not pose a realistic threat to the existence of the United States. I was roundly lambasted but I never saw one rational argument about terrorists posing a threat to the very existence of this nation.
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MAKO Wrote:I agree with the author. Do terrorists pose a threat? Yes. But, as I stated on a thread a long time ago, they do not pose a realistic threat to the existence of the United States. I was roundly lambasted but I never saw one rational argument about terrorists posing a threat to the very existence of this nation.
Did they post a threat to the existence of the 3000+ people that died in 9/11?

I believe the President said "We are a nation in danger"

Not- "We are in danger of losing our existence"

Leave it to the liberals to spin something out of context, and proclaim that we're in NO danger at all!
08-05-2004 05:10 PM
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MAKO Wrote:I agree with the author. Do terrorists pose a threat? Yes. But, as I stated on a thread a long time ago, they do not pose a realistic threat to the existence of the United States. I was roundly lambasted but I never saw one rational argument about terrorists posing a threat to the very existence of this nation.
I'm scared to death of this type of thinking. Please don't vote MAKO. Lord help us, please don't vote. Wanna know WHY we aren't in as great of danger as we used to be? Because Bush declared war on TERRORISM. We are fighting it there. We are rounding up terrorists left and right and only you leftists marginalize his efforts. Hindsight is 20/20. You can't make judgements on how we are without taking into account the dynamics of why we are. If that's too deep for you, I'll elaborate. Just lemme know.
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RebelKev Wrote:
MAKO Wrote:I agree with the author.  Do terrorists pose a threat?  Yes.  But, as I stated on a thread a long time ago, they do not pose a realistic threat to the existence of the United States.  I was roundly lambasted but I never saw one rational argument about terrorists posing a threat to the very existence of this nation.
I'm scared to death of this type of thinking. Please don't vote MAKO. Lord help us, please don't vote. Wanna know WHY we aren't in as great of danger as we used to be? Because Bush declared war on TERRORISM. We are fighting it there. We are rounding up terrorists left and right and only you leftists marginalize his efforts. Hindsight is 20/20. You can't make judgements on how we are without taking into account the dynamics of why we are. If that's too deep for you, I'll elaborate. Just lemme know.
Didn't you get the memo?

We're in no danger.

We don't need airport security, police, the CIA, or even the military.

Get rid of them all.

The liberals have informed us: We are in no danger whatsoever.

-And this is why people electing John Kerry scares me to DEATH-
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You can debate this philosophical question until you're blue in the face, and the debate so far here seems to be centered around partisan lines.

I just want to know one thing....

Quote:I believe the President said "We are a nation in danger"


Yes, he did. In one week he said "America is safer", "We are a nation in danger" and "America is safer". I'd just like to know which it is, and whether the message is always going to change based on audience and political desires of the day.
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How about this, America IS in danger, but America IS safer. Yes, it CAN be both ways.
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RebelKev Wrote:How about this, America IS in danger, but America IS safer. Yes, it CAN be both ways.
Then why are the two sides always presented completely separately and based on what the topic of the discussion is? You have a political rally and "America is safer", then you have a terrorist alert and "America is in danger". I'm confused, should I venture out onto 5th Avenue in NYC on a Thursday afternoon or should I stay in my basement and $hit myself with fear?
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Yeah, the terrorrists aren't a threat to our existance. So lets just sit around and have our asses kicked. That way we don't piss off the UN and the french and make friends with people like Yassar Arafat and Kim Jung Il. And while we're at it, lets turn our military over to the UN, cause they always know whats best and always make the right decision. Lets just outlaw guns all together. After all, if the Islamic Fascists realize we don't have any weapons, they won't attack us right? Hell, lets just elect Osama bin Laden. It would just save us time from having to receive the videos for instructions on how to completely eliminate all freedoms that we have, especially women. :rolleyes:
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HuskieDan Wrote:
RebelKev Wrote:How about this, America IS in danger, but America IS safer. Yes, it CAN be both ways.
Then why are the two sides always presented completely separately and based on what the topic of the discussion is? You have a political rally and "America is safer", then you have a terrorist alert and "America is in danger". I'm confused, should I venture out onto 5th Avenue in NYC on a Thursday afternoon or should I stay in my basement and $hit myself with fear?
Well, I was on 5th Ave in NYC at least once every day this week. I didn't have any trouble. I can't speak for you though. You might be one of those girly men that I keep hearing about.

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