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I need some help here. For the life of me I can't figure this out:
  • Burning the US flag is OK and is a protected act of free speech.
  • Defiling the Quran is treated as a hate crime.
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    <a href='http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050624/NEWS01/506240401' target='_blank'>Agency monitors Quran defilement</a>

    Islamic leaders to offer copies of holy book

    By LEE ANN O'NEAL
    Staff Writer

    A Metro agency that works to resolve complaints of discrimination stepped in yesterday to assist Islamic leaders, the day after a defiled Quran was found on the steps of a Nashville apartment.

    Staff from the Metro Human Relations Commission met with religious leaders yesterday to document their accounts of the Wednesday incident, said David Perez, a compliance inspector with the commission and an attorney. Perez also contacted the Metro Police Department to gather information about police response, which religious leaders have criticized as too slow.


    The Quran was found at 647 Crutcher St. covered with flies and having a torn-out page mashed into what seemed to be feces and burned.

    "The decision to file a formal complaint (against police) is being considered," Perez said. "There will be a draft prepared."

    Beginning with a first call about 2:45 p.m., men from the Islamic community called the Metro Emergency Communications Center seeking help at least six times throughout the afternoon. The 911 center is a government agency distinct from the Police Department. About three hours after the first call was placed, police arrived. "There appears to be some inconsistency, and that concerns me," Perez said of the police and community accounts. Perez helped mediate a high-profile case earlier this year involving more than 30 Dell Computer workers and accommodation of their right to pray one of five daily prayers mandated by the Quran.

    A police spokesman said that while police are pursuing the investigation "as a hate crime" with every appropriate resource, the delay was unfortunate. "Had (a police lieutenant) known the circumstances of this call, he himself or another supervisor would have gone immediately, believing that an immediate response was necessary," Aaron said. A staff member at the Emergency Communications Center referred a reporter's questions to a spokeswoman, who did not return calls left for her yesterday or Wednesday.

    Police have said their system showed no record of the 2:45 p.m. call. They received a first call at 3:41 p.m., with a shift supervisornotified at 3:46 p.m. that an officer was wanted for investigation but given no specific details.

    "The shift lieutenant runs the detail, and he was not aware until late in the game that this call was being held (without response) and the details of it," Aaron said. "Once he was made aware, he went and had other cars go." At that point, police arrived in a matter of a few minutes, Aaron said. An earlier response would not have changed the police procedure of investigation, he said. For their part, Islamic leaders have responded to the incident by making plans to distribute at least 500 English-language copies of the Quran to anyone who would like to learn more about Islam. "We are placing an order right away," said Islamic Center of Nashville spokesman Awadh Binhazim. He said the community has "bombarded" its leaders with questions about the incident.

    The steps where the book was found lead to two apartments, neither home Islamic, Aaron said.

    "At this juncture, we still do not know who is responsible or where the Quran came from," Aaron said. He said the FBI has not opened an investigation, but the federal agency is in "close contact" with the Metro police. A message left with an FBI staff member was not returned yesterday.
06-24-2005 12:24 PM
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Hmm. That's an excellent thought provoking question.

I don't know the answer. Guess I'm too stupid.
06-24-2005 12:27 PM
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umbluegray Wrote:I need some help here.&nbsp; For the life of me I can't figure this out:
  • Burning the US flag is OK and is a protected act of free speech.
  • Defiling the Quran is treated as a hate crime.
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What? You didn't get the memo? Only the rights and beliefs of the 'average' American are allowed to be infringed or belittled.
06-24-2005 12:28 PM
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Lethemeul Wrote:What? You didn't get the memo? Only the rights and beliefs of the 'average' American are allowed to be infringed or belittled.
Well, that explains a whole mess of things.
06-24-2005 12:30 PM
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umbluegray Wrote:
Lethemeul Wrote:What?&nbsp; You didn't get the memo?&nbsp; Only the rights and beliefs of the 'average' American are allowed to be infringed or belittled.
Well, that explains a whole mess of things.
I know you were looking for a real answer. I ain't got one.
06-24-2005 12:41 PM
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that's what happens when we have too many ******* in gov't.
06-24-2005 12:43 PM
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Lethemeul Wrote:
umbluegray Wrote:I need some help here.&nbsp; For the life of me I can't figure this out:
  • Burning the US flag is OK and is a protected act of free speech.
  • Defiling the Quran is treated as a hate crime.
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What? You didn't get the memo? Only the rights and beliefs of the 'average' American are allowed to be infringed or belittled.
I think that about sums it up.
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Lethemeul Wrote:
umbluegray Wrote:
Lethemeul Wrote:What?&nbsp; You didn't get the memo?&nbsp; Only the rights and beliefs of the 'average' American are allowed to be infringed or belittled.
Well, that explains a whole mess of things.
I know you were looking for a real answer. I ain't got one.
Actually, the question in my original post was rhetorical.

My response to your post was intended to be humorous. I probably need some help in that area. :D
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This is what happens when Mel Brooks runs the country. It's only ok to make fun of people if you make fun of all of them.

Great question, umbg
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umbluegray Wrote:
Lethemeul Wrote:
umbluegray Wrote:
Lethemeul Wrote:What?  You didn't get the memo?  Only the rights and beliefs of the 'average' American are allowed to be infringed or belittled.
Well, that explains a whole mess of things.
I know you were looking for a real answer. I ain't got one.
Actually, the question in my original post was rhetorical.

My response to your post was intended to be humorous. I probably need some help in that area. :D
Eh, probably my fault as much as it was yours. :D

Still too steamed about the Supreme Court decision to get the political satire.
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Quote:The Quran was found at 647 Crutcher St. covered with flies and having a torn-out page mashed into what seemed to be feces and burned.

[Beavis]hehe hehe he said feces.[/Beavis]

At least we only defile the book. In the Middle East they kill the person that own the book (Bible.)

I guess Jihad is only good if you are on the side of the all powerful Allah. (please note the sarcasm)
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Burning a book that is the foundation of a religion for a culture and group of mainly non-white people(probably by some ignorant redneck who doesn't realize that anyone can be Muslim and use the Quran). Sounds like a hate crime to me.
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uhmump95 Wrote:Burning a book that is the foundation of a religion for a culture and group of mainly non-white people(probably by some ignorant redneck who doesn't realize that anyone can be Muslim and use the Quran). Sounds like a hate crime to me.
1) what is a hate crime?
2) people should have the freedom to defile any book, should they choose to do so.
3) i'd have no problem defiling the quran, but i'm not an ignorant redneck. sounds like someone has problems with stereotyping.
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1) what is a hate crime?
I am not a lawyer, but I will give my own interpretation. Any act of violence or disrespect against a group of people different from you for no other reason than they are different

2) people should have the freedom to defile any book, should they choose to do so.
I know a lot of people who would say that until a book very important them was defiled. Personally I think the American judicial system has been guilty of one hate crime after another against Christianity but I digress..

3) i'd have no problem defiling the quran, but i'm not an ignorant redneck. sounds like someone has problems with stereotyping.
Are you Muslim? If not than you are ignorant to the reason that they feel anger and disrespect at the defiling of their holy book. As for the redneck statement, I apologize to all rednecks.
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uhmump95 Wrote:1) what is a hate crime?
I am not a lawyer, but I will give my own interpretation. Any act of violence or disrespect against a group of people different from you for no other reason than they are different

2) people should have the freedom to defile any book, should they choose to do so.
I know a lot of people who would say that until a book very important them was defiled. Personally I think the American judicial system has been guilty of one hate crime after another against Christianity but I digress..

3) i'd have no problem defiling the quran, but i'm not an ignorant redneck. sounds like someone has problems with stereotyping.
Are you Muslim? If not than you are ignorant to the reason that they feel anger and disrespect at the defiling of their holy book. As for the redneck statement, I apologize to all rednecks.
muslims might be upset at that act, but the person responsible should not be in any trouble.

also, how can someone prove that a crime is a hate crime?
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You don't have a right to not be offended uhmump. Do you think it's ok to burn the flag?
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if i put someone behind bars every time they offended me, there'd be a lot of people in jail. people used to make fun of me for my height, and i was as sensitive about that as muslims are about their religion, but should the people who made fun of me be punished? no.
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