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I don't smoke and I hate being around people who do, but I still don't agree with what our city-parish council is trying to do. The problem I have is that smoking cigarettes is legal in this country if you are over 18 and now these people who do decide to smoke are being discriminated against.

My family owns our own business. We have several non-family employees who also work there. A couple of them smoke outside next to a door, but now, they may not be able to smoke there. They would have to move 25 feet away from the door. Is that legal?

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Smoking no longer will be allowed in private offices, retail stores and malls, sports arenas and restaurants that do not serve alcohol in the city and unincorporated parts of Lafayette Parish.

With a 7-2 vote of the Lafayette City-Parish Council on Tuesday, Lafayette becomes the fourth city in Louisiana to ban smoking this year. The others are Shreveport, Mandeville and Sulphur.

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There are restaurants in Florida that are contesting the state's Clean Indoor Air Act claiming it's unconstitutional. In essense, the state has hurt some of these eateries as patronage dropped. Many restaurants ignore the rule and recently the Heart Association, American Lung Association and other health organizations have been trying to strengthen the rules. Have we become so pathetic of a society that many of us have given up our freedom to choose? If there's a restaurant that allows smoking and you don't like smoking then leave, make a choice!! I hope some restaurants in Lafayette fight that ridiculous ban as well.

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I agree with it.... Mainly for the fact that just because you stand at the door in a non smoking enviornment does stop the smoke from coming into the smoke free enviornment...
I can't stand to walk out of my office building and have ten smoker right outside the building, it is like walking through a wall of friggin smoke, so I am all for this ban!
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NYC banned smoking in all bars and restaurants. Shortly thereafter, the state government passed a similar law with penalties that were more strict than the city's. Being a non-smoker I absolutely love it. I can go out to eat and drink without choking on cigarette smoke or smelling like a Marlboro smokehouse.

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Happened here in the Dayton area (Centerville) and I think it sucks. I'm a non-smoker, but if it bothers me that much to go in to a smoky bar I go somewhere else. The businesses should have the choice of doing it, and if they think they can make more money by not having smoking then more power to them.

I have heard rumblings about some of the restaurants becoming "clubs" and "members". From what I understand, they might be able to at that point get around the laws governing smoking.
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The smoking ban is absolutely right and should be applied to every state.

If someone wants to buy cancer in a box and ruin his or her lungs.....then fine. However, there is no way that this should be intruding upon my breathing space or my lungs, ESPECIALLY when I'm trying to have a friggin dinner with my family, watch a sporting event, etc.

Also, the "non smoking" sections back in the day were a joke. Yea, one table over and a divider is really going to keep me from having to deal with the mass smoke right next to me.

It's a great law and should be applied more stingently. If you aren't outside, you don't smoke.
06-25-2005 02:57 PM
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This is to say you have a "Right" to frequent someone's establishment and that the government should dictate how a "private" business owner should operate his/her business?


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RebelKev Wrote:This is to say you have a "Right" to frequent someone's establishment and that the government should dictate how a "private" business owner should operate his/her business?


Welcome to Fascism.
This is a health concern. Nobody is telling the restaurants what kind of food to serve, how much alchohal, etc.

And quite honestly, it's sad if someone can't take a break from the cancer sticks for more like 35 minutes to let others not have to deal with their smoke.

Bars that serve food aren't affected because most of their revenue isn't off food, so they have nothing to ***** about.
06-25-2005 05:28 PM
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What right does the government have to say to my family that you have to be 25 feet away from any public entrance to smoke? The smokers at work do smoke outside, but generally by an unused door, but the government would make them move 25 feet away. I'm sorry, but I do not agree that they can do that to us.

Also, both of my parents have been smokers for over 25 years (don't worry, my mom quit when she was pregnant with my sister and myself). I have never complained about having to sit in the smoker's section at a restaurant. I don't find it at all discomforting to be around them when they smoke. It just doesn't bother me.

I just think this law discriminates against a person's right to smoke. Cigarettes are legal and I think that if a person decides they want to smoke, they can smoke where they please (with a few exceptions).
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Cajunman02 Wrote:What right does the government have to say to my family that you have to be 25 feet away from any public entrance to smoke?&nbsp; The smokers at work do smoke outside, but generally by an unused door, but the government would make them move 25 feet away.&nbsp; I'm sorry, but I do not agree that they can do that to us.

Also, both of my parents have been smokers for over 25 years (don't worry, my mom quit when she was pregnant with my sister and myself).&nbsp; I have never complained about having to sit in the smoker's section at a restaurant.&nbsp; I don't find it at all discomforting to be around them when they smoke.&nbsp; It just doesn't bother me.

I just think this law discriminates against a person's right to smoke.&nbsp; Cigarettes are legal and I think that if a person decides they want to smoke, they can smoke where they please (with a few exceptions).
Totally agree.

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Cajunman02 Wrote:What right does the government have to say to my family that you have to be 25 feet away from any public entrance to smoke? The smokers at work do smoke outside, but generally by an unused door, but the government would make them move 25 feet away. I'm sorry, but I do not agree that they can do that to us.

Also, both of my parents have been smokers for over 25 years (don't worry, my mom quit when she was pregnant with my sister and myself). I have never complained about having to sit in the smoker's section at a restaurant. I don't find it at all discomforting to be around them when they smoke. It just doesn't bother me.

I just think this law discriminates against a person's right to smoke. Cigarettes are legal and I think that if a person decides they want to smoke, they can smoke where they please (with a few exceptions).
Yea, and smoking discriminates against a persons' right to breathe clean air.

Maybe you were never discomforted sitting amongst the smoke in a restaurant, but for many people including myself it totally ruined it. There is NOTHING worse than cigarette smoke.

I don't think they have to be 25 feet away from a door, but smokers should definitly not be allowed to smoke inside.
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Since when do you have the right to breathe clean air?

It comes down to this being a businesses decision. If they want to allow smoking, they can do that. You don't have to eat at their restaurant.
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The only place where a smoking ban should be law is in office buildings. While it's easy to choose one restaurant/bar over another on a given evening, I could only imagine what it must've been like in the 1950s when you'd have to inhale your cubicle-neighbor's smoke 40-50 hours per week.

But, yes, restaurants and bars should really decide their own smoking rules on their own. In Michigan, there's no ban on smoking in restaurants, but I've noticed some that take it upon themselves to forbid it on their premises.

[soapbox] On a side note, I just don't get the draw of smoking. Yes, it has that nicotine "kick". But the trade-off is bad breath, stained teeth, stanky clothes, and a home and car that perpetually reeks from stale smoke (and I'm not even considering the health effects here). When I get back from a bar, I can't imagine my entire house continuously smelling like my jeans. Not to mention it's a pretty expensive habit. I mean, how many 'poor' people supposedly short on cash smoke in this country? [/soapbox]
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If you walk into a restaurant and it smells smokey or they allow smoking in it then you can leave. You don't have to eat there. There are plenty of restaurants around the country that do not permit smoking, and there are those that allow it. You don't have to go to the restaurant, as a restaurant does not have to serve you either! Plain and simple, it should be the choice of the food establishment that is serving, not more government intervention. I wonder how some of you would react if you were in some parts of Europe where they post no smoking signs and those who are supposed to enforce it are lighting up right next to the sign? Its more of a request than a law. And you know what, the Europeans live a healthier lifestyle compared to us!!
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moloch_322 Wrote:If you walk into a restaurant and it smells smokey or they allow smoking in it then you can leave.&nbsp; You don't have to eat there.&nbsp; There are plenty of restaurants around the country that do not permit smoking, and there are those that allow it.&nbsp; You don't have to go to the restaurant, as a restaurant does not have to serve you either!&nbsp; Plain and simple, it should be the choice of the food establishment that is serving, not more government intervention.&nbsp; I wonder how some of you would react if you were in some parts of Europe where they post no smoking signs and those who are supposed to enforce it are lighting up right next to the sign? Its more of a request than a law.&nbsp; And you know what, the Europeans live a healthier lifestyle compared to us!!
Before this law, I did not see ONE restaurant that offered a no smoking policy, and that incuded IHOP.

The fact is this: smoking causes cancer and is a disgusting habit. People should not have to eat with the disgusting odor of smoke in thier face.

If people can't take 40 minutes away from their cancer sticks, then maybe they should address the real problem, and not the government trying to "Screw" them out of cancer.

No dining establishment would actually enforce a no smoking ban if the govenment didn't do anything, and you DAMN WELL know that.

I applaud this law, and the majority of America does too.
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The Knight Time Wrote:Before this law, I did not see ONE restaurant that offered a no smoking policy, and that incuded IHOP.
Well don't go to IHOP then. They're not holding you at gunpoint to go.
Quote:The fact is this: smoking causes cancer and is a disgusting habit.&nbsp; People should not have to eat with the disgusting odor of smoke in thier face.&nbsp;
This is true, its a disgusting habit and causes cancer but who are we to tell someone what to do? People don't have to eat with the odor of smoke in their face, they can eat elsewhere. No one is strapping them in their seats. They have the freedom to go wherever they want right?
Quote:If people can't take 40 minutes away from their cancer sticks, then maybe they should address the real problem, and not the government trying to "Screw" them out of cancer.
The real problem is the government crossing the line once again. Let people choose their own destiny. Its well known that smoking is dangerous and smokers know this as well. But they made the choice, its their life. Let businesses choose their patronage - in particular the small ones.
Quote:No dining establishment would actually enforce a no smoking ban if the govenment didn't do anything, and you DAMN WELL know that.
McDonalds, Burger King, and Wendys have stopped smoking in their restaurants well before the Clean Air Act was passed. The chains don't mind the law - they are for the most part financially sound. As for that little mom n' pops restaurant, every penny counts! Let them choose whether or not they would allow smoking.
Quote:I applaud this law, and the majority of America does too.
The last time an entire nation passed a law like this, over 50 million people died by either combat or extermination - Hitler absolutely loathed tobacco and alcohol and sought to purify his master race from them.
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moloch_322 Wrote:
The Knight Time Wrote:Before this law, I did not see ONE restaurant that offered a no smoking policy, and that incuded IHOP.
Well don't go to IHOP then. They're not holding you at gunpoint to go.
Quote:The fact is this: smoking causes cancer and is a disgusting habit.  People should not have to eat with the disgusting odor of smoke in thier face. 
This is true, its a disgusting habit and causes cancer but who are we to tell someone what to do? People don't have to eat with the odor of smoke in their face, they can eat elsewhere. No one is strapping them in their seats. They have the freedom to go wherever they want right?
Quote:If people can't take 40 minutes away from their cancer sticks, then maybe they should address the real problem, and not the government trying to "Screw" them out of cancer.
The real problem is the government crossing the line once again. Let people choose their own destiny. Its well known that smoking is dangerous and smokers know this as well. But they made the choice, its their life. Let businesses choose their patronage - in particular the small ones.
Quote:No dining establishment would actually enforce a no smoking ban if the govenment didn't do anything, and you DAMN WELL know that.
McDonalds, Burger King, and Wendys have stopped smoking in their restaurants well before the Clean Air Act was passed. The chains don't mind the law - they are for the most part financially sound. As for that little mom n' pops restaurant, every penny counts! Let them choose whether or not they would allow smoking.
Quote:I applaud this law, and the majority of America does too.
The last time an entire nation passed a law like this, over 50 million people died by either combat or extermination - Hitler absolutely loathed tobacco and alcohol and sought to purify his master race from them.
1. IHOP was just an example. I didn't see ANY restaurant offer a no smoking policy.

2. Why should people have to search their town for the 1 or 2 restaurants that offer no smoking and eat their every day? It's the right of every American to sit in a dining establishment and eat without disgusting behavior. Would you like to eat in a restaurant where the cook is smoking over the food?

3. You're right- let them choose their own destiny- IN THEIR OWN PRIVACY. Just becase someone thinks it's ok to shorten their life by smoking doesn't mean they can subject everyone else to it. The government is not stepping over the line by ensuring people can actually eat in a public restaurant without worrying about their health being endangered. You wanna smoke? Fine. But don't try to bring everyone else down with you.

4. I visit mom and pop places all over town, none of which are suffering due to this law. Like I said, if people think that smoking while they eat is such a priority that they don't go to that restaurant- well then they have bigger problems than a Clean Air Act. Like, an addiction to a deadly drug.

5. This is probably the dumbest comparison I've heard in my life. Yes, banning smoking in indoor public establishments is JUST like throwing millions of people into concentration camps. Just like Hitler. :rolleyes:

I'd suggest you use some more rational thinking before you post again, especially when comparing Hitler to a law banning smoking (the #2 killer in America).
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The Knight Time Wrote:Before this law, I did not see ONE restaurant that offered a no smoking policy, and that incuded IHOP.

The fact is this: smoking causes cancer and is a disgusting habit. People should not have to eat with the disgusting odor of smoke in thier face.

If people can't take 40 minutes away from their cancer sticks, then maybe they should address the real problem, and not the government trying to "Screw" them out of cancer.

No dining establishment would actually enforce a no smoking ban if the govenment didn't do anything, and you DAMN WELL know that.

I applaud this law, and the majority of America does too.
Shouldn't have to eat with the disgusting odor of smoke? {NEWSFLASH} You don't. You can stay at home and fire up the grill. Again, where in the US Constitution does it say you have the right to eat at a private business owners establishment? I smoke, but usually don't when I go out to eat. However, when I go to Stool Pigeons, Wild Wings, etc. to drink and hang out, I smoke in the areas they allow smoking. You are also wrong about restaurants not being able to enforce their own smoking ban. As Moloch stated, all of the fast food chains already have them in place. Starting July 1st, smoking is banned in Georgia. Not just restaurants, but bars, clubs, etc.

I have no problem with mandating placards stating smoking is allowed in certain areas, but this ban is unconstitutional. To assume differently is to assume the government runs the private businesses.
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The Knight Time Wrote:5. This is probably the dumbest comparison I've heard in my life. Yes, banning smoking in indoor public establishments is JUST like throwing millions of people into concentration camps. Just like Hitler. :rolleyes:

I'd suggest you use some more rational thinking before you post again, especially when comparing Hitler to a law banning smoking (the #2 killer in America).
Just the facts. The first wide-scale anti-smoking campaign in history was carried out by the third reich. They didn't send smokers to concentration camps, but they propagandized it by saying only Jews, gypsies, and homosexuals smoke. Hitler even called it "the wrath of the Red Man against the White Man, vengeance for having been given hard liquor." You should read up on the history of Hitler's anti-smoking and alcohol campaigns, its rather interesting and inciteful.
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RebelKev Wrote:
The Knight Time Wrote:Before this law, I did not see ONE restaurant that offered a no smoking policy, and that incuded IHOP.

The fact is this: smoking causes cancer and is a disgusting habit.&nbsp; People should not have to eat with the disgusting odor of smoke in thier face.&nbsp;

If people can't take 40 minutes away from their cancer sticks, then maybe they should address the real problem, and not the government trying to "Screw" them out of cancer.

No dining establishment would actually enforce a no smoking ban if the govenment didn't do anything, and you DAMN WELL know that.

I applaud this law, and the majority of America does too.
Shouldn't have to eat with the disgusting odor of smoke? {NEWSFLASH} You don't. You can stay at home and fire up the grill. Again, where in the US Constitution does it say you have the right to eat at a private business owners establishment? I smoke, but usually don't when I go out to eat. However, when I go to Stool Pigeons, Wild Wings, etc. to drink and hang out, I smoke in the areas they allow smoking. You are also wrong about restaurants not being able to enforce their own smoking ban. As Moloch stated, all of the fast food chains already have them in place. Starting July 1st, smoking is banned in Georgia. Not just restaurants, but bars, clubs, etc.

I have no problem with mandating placards stating smoking is allowed in certain areas, but this ban is unconstitutional. To assume differently is to assume the government runs the private businesses.
OR, smokers can sit home if they're that desperate to smoke.

People shouldn't be driven away from a restaurant because they're worried about their health due to the influx of cancerous smoke in the air, PERIOD.

A restaurant is there to serve food, not be a personal smokehouse for people who choose to smoke.

Finally, nobody has any right to impose danger upon another person's health. When someone sits in close proximity to smokers, that's exactly what's happening.

For everyone's sake, I wish smokers would examine their own habits rather than cry foul at the big bad government. I'd also like for them to consider most people in America do not smoke and can't stand it, and you're basically saying "Screw you" by wanting them to sit next to your personally bad practice.
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