the only people who get cancer from 2nd hand smoke, are people who live with smokers. should we ban smoking period? who could possibly get cancer from 2nd hand smoke b/c of being in a restaurant too often, or something like that?

You are seriously for banning smoking in apartments? I hope I didn't read that wrong.

RebelKev Wrote:You are seriously for banning smoking in apartments? I hope I didn't read that wrong.

It was up for discussion. I don't know the details, either of the proposed statute or of what happened to the issue.

BTW, Montgomery Cty, MD now has special oxygen masks in all ambulances. Not for smokers...but for cats and dogs! Good to see they are spending their astronomical tax revenues on the betterment of society.

flyingswoosh Wrote:the only people who get cancer from 2nd hand smoke, are people who live with smokers. should we ban smoking period? who could possibly get cancer from 2nd hand smoke b/c of being in a restaurant too often, or something like that?

How about a waitress or bartender? They don't have a choice yet they are exposed to it everyday.

blah Wrote:How about a waitress or bartender? They don't have a choice yet they are exposed to it everyday.

So they have a right to that job?

cigarettes are a delivery system for a drug oft described as more addictive than heroin. in the history of commerce in the USA, i doubt there has ever been an industry more dedicated to hiding its true purpose behind, well, smoke and mirrors, than tobacco. furthermore, i doubt there's ever been an industry which has inflicted more damage and cost on the public at large.

either make the societal decision that the cost of this crap falls exclusively on those doing it, and establish strict criteria to keep it away from those who don't, or ban it absolutely.

they want to kill themselves, they should have at it. and the sooner the better.

RebelKev Wrote:

blah Wrote:How about a waitress or bartender?  They don't have a choice yet they are exposed to it everyday.

So they have a right to that job?

No, but they do have a right to work in a safe environment.

You may have heard of similar working conditions in mines and a disease called pneumoconiosis (black lung.) Because of it many miners have sued and won compensation and now most mining states have laws enacted (against private businesses) to protect against this. This situation also led to the formation of the Occupational Health & Safety Act (OSHA) of 1970.

blah Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:the only people who get cancer from 2nd hand smoke, are people who live with smokers.  should we ban smoking period?  who could possibly get cancer from 2nd hand smoke b/c of being in a restaurant too often, or something like that?

How about a waitress or bartender? They don't have a choice yet they are exposed to it everyday.

i highly doubt that even they could get cancer from smoke.

flyingswoosh Wrote:

blah Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:the only people who get cancer from 2nd hand smoke, are people who live with smokers.  should we ban smoking period?  who could possibly get cancer from 2nd hand smoke b/c of being in a restaurant too often, or something like that?

How about a waitress or bartender? They don't have a choice yet they are exposed to it everyday.

i highly doubt that even they could get cancer from smoke.

[sarcasm]Well that seals it then, as you are definitely the authority on cancer causing agents.....[/sarcasm]

flyingswoosh Wrote:

blah Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:the only people who get cancer from 2nd hand smoke, are people who live with smokers.  should we ban smoking period?  who could possibly get cancer from 2nd hand smoke b/c of being in a restaurant too often, or something like that?

How about a waitress or bartender? They don't have a choice yet they are exposed to it everyday.

i highly doubt that even they could get cancer from smoke.

if that is true, you are not paying attention to the most comprehensive comparative body of science since evolution went up against ID.

it is astonishing to me how many people refuse to accept the reality of the costs associated with smoking. and every taxpayer is bearing the costs.

if you do it where it cannot effect me or mine, super. but don't expect me to gracefully accept the consequences of those great billowing clouds of cancer getting blown in my direction.

i cannot believe that this debate continues.

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Yea, now I see why people are so angered. I'd be mad too if my "right" to make my lungs look like this was interupted for 45 minutes out of a day so that others don't have to deal with it and look like that.

Keep that crap away from me. If you want black lungs, do it to yourself and only yourself.

gruehls Wrote:if that is true, you are not paying attention to the most comprehensive comparative body of science since evolution went up against ID.

it is astonishing to me how many people refuse to accept the reality of the costs associated with smoking. and every taxpayer is bearing the costs.

if you do it where it cannot effect me or mine, super. but don't expect me to gracefully accept the consequences of those great billowing clouds of cancer getting blown in my direction.

i cannot believe that this debate continues.

<a href='http://www.doh.gov.ph/tobacco/shs1.htm' target='_blank'>brought to you by the u.s. dept of health</a>

at what place are you day in, day out, where this is a problem for you?

flyingswoosh Wrote:at what place are you day in, day out, where this is a problem for you?

swoosh, who cares where any person is day in and day out for purposes of this discussion? you ain't asking the right questions. here're the ones to ask first and foremost:

at any place in my life, why should i have to sustain the injury associated with someone else's deathwish? or, why should someone else? if you have some personal need to play with guns or knives, i don't have to be your practice target;

why do we not view the second hand effects of smoking in an analogous fashion to how we view the second hand effects of drunkenness; you know, those subtle things associated with drunk driving and death? there are almost as many studies tying second hand smoke to death and disease as there are studies of the effects of drunk driving. no one seriously disputes the consequences of elevated blood alcohol levels, yet they pretend that the studies of second hand smoke are the products of morons.

there are many reasons why the tobacco industry decided to pay billions in reparations to the states. one of those reasons is they caused the states to incur hundreds of millions in healthcare costs. umm, that was DUE TO SMOKING, not frost bite, ringworm or sexually transmitted disease.

smoking is the wrong topic to champion for personal freedom.