I45Owl Wrote:Let's establish whether or not something is true before offering rationalizations for it. That was my original intent - to get someone to demonstrate that it is in fact true before offering it as common knowledge.
Subjectivities are a hard thing......................if one is preconceptually inclined to reject them anyway.
That is why it is called "Faith" and not "Fear"...............
One can open their eyes and see what they will.......................but it is hard to argue with an open mind against "Good Citizenry" including Spirituality as a hard element in at least four of the other six attributes listed in the earlier post.
Standards come from somewhere............................society may enforce them but Civilized Society got them from somewhere else.
Imperical or not, I can induce by observations made by myself and others over time that the spiritual aspect of of one's life can be directly linked to one's joy and sense of meaning. All of this can make one "render unto Caesar", love their neighbor as themself and do unto others as they wish done unto them. These each compose principal layers of "Good Citizenship".
Secondly, "true facts" do not always lead to "common knowlege"..............and vice versa. If one does not accept "truth" as such, it is not common to him/her but that makes it no less "true". Truth is truth whether it is accepted as truth or not. Otherwise, one is a "relativist" and I do not so subscribe.
But we are not debating this so I will not go on rationalizing.........................