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BGSUalum1987 Wrote:College football: Penn State first, everyone else a very, very, very distant second. No other area college football team even registers. So Big East games mean no more to folks here than C-USA games. In fact, data would suggest that college football fans in this area would rather watch Big Ten football.

Sure, that is pretty much true......though I'm sure Philly fans would slightly favor watching the Big East over watching CUSA.

But so what?

Are CUSA regional games going to be broadcasted in Philly? No.

The Big East will be on in Philly and that is all that matters for recruiting purposes. Only 5 people could be watching the Big East game (Rutgers recruits) and it will get the job done.

BGSUalum1987 Wrote:

Quote: Big East games will be very attractive to the Philly market because of the proximity of Rutgers and its BCS status.

Again, history and reality are quite different that what you say WILL happen.

Kit-Cat, tune in here. Not only do I have first-hand knowledge of the market - I live in it, I also have access to deep market data since I work for a media company.

Rutgers and the Big East are attractive enough to broadcast on a Washington DC station.

I assume it can be that much different 2.5 hours away in Philadelphia. Washington DC is also a pro sports market.

Penn State dominates the football market, and second is clearly Notre Dame. Rutgers has zero following in the Philly market. Absolutely ZERO.

The last time Rutgers played at Temple, the game was at the Linc and there were no more than 1500 Rutgers fans at the game. I was born and grew up around the corner from Rutgers and the area is oriented to NYC. AND college football has very little interest in the Big Apple.

Suggesting Philly fans will watch Rutgers football is a pipe dream. Once we start winning, we will gain the college football fans in the Delaware Valley.

coolhandred Wrote:Penn State dominates the football market, and second is clearly Notre Dame. Rutgers has zero following in the Philly market. Absolutely ZERO.

The last time Rutgers played at Temple, the game was at the Linc and there were no more than 1500 Rutgers fans at the game. I was born and grew up around the corner from Rutgers and the area is oriented to NYC. AND college football has very little interest in the Big Apple.

Suggesting Philly fans will watch Rutgers football is a pipe dream. Once we start winning, we will gain the college football fans in the Delaware Valley.

It is a pipe dream....just as much of a pipe dream as saying Detroit fans will watch Bowling Green State University......

Yet Fox Sports Detroit airs regional BGSU games.

Never have I said that Philladelphians will back Rutgers over Temple or in place of Temple.......what I'm saying is the Big East can have games in the Philly market for Rutgers without Temple being in the league do to proximity of the Big East football schools to that market.

Sorry to hit on such a sensitive issue with you Temple fans, but I'm just trying to read the Big East mindset on expansion.

Kit-Cat Wrote:But.....this is not what I'm arguing about

Quote:Philadelphia is a regional market as far as TV is concerned for the Big East, no different from Detroit and the MAC or Indianapolis and the MAC.

Every market is a regional market, so, yes.

Quote:The Big East has and will continue to get regional games on the Philly market.

Yes, but the Philly market gets more Big 10 games than Big East games. Without checking the TV logs, I'd say the Big East gets slightly more TV time than the ACC and SEC.

Quote:Also, if you live in Philly you can pick up New Jersey stations when they broadcast Rutgers.

One problem, there aren't really any New Jersey stations. The Philly stations cover southern Jersey; NY stations cover northern Jersey.

Quote:The point is the Big East doesn't need Temple to have a presence in Philly. Its true few follow Temple or Rutgers in Philly, regardless Rutgers games will show up in the Philly market and that is what the Big East cares about/

Don't be so sure about that. I don't recall seeing Rutgers on TV more than once around here last season.

On the face, you theory could have merit. However, the facts do not support it.

Kit-Cat Wrote:The Big East will be on in Philly and that is all that matters for recruiting purposes. Only 5 people could be watching the Big East game (Rutgers recruits) and it will get the job done.

The Big East will not, necessarily be on in Philadelphia, as noted above.

Kit-Cat Wrote:Rutgers and the Big East are attractive enough to broadcast on a Washington DC station.

I assume it can be that much different 2.5 hours away in Philadelphia. Washington DC is also a pro sports market.

But apparently not strong enough to be broadcast regularly in the Philadelphia. Big East gets on when its Pitt or another nationally ranked team, not just because its the Big East.

Kit-Cat Wrote:Never have I said that Philladelphians will back Rutgers over Temple or in place of Temple.......what I'm saying is the Big East can have games in the Philly market for Rutgers without Temple being in the league do to proximity of the Big East football schools to that market.

Sorry to hit on such a sensitive issue with you Temple fans, but I'm just trying to read the Big East mindset on expansion.

The flaw is that Rutgers is somehow important to the equation. It is not. Big East games will air because they are good games; same for ACC games, SEC games, etc. To expect any measurable difference in TV exposure because of Rutgers is using flawed logic.

templefan1 Wrote:Actually VU is in the Big 5 and Drexel is not considered the Big 5. Other than that, go post

I always mix that up. I thought Nova was in, but , well, ... THanks!

Cookie Monster? Please say no more. It is obvious you know nothing about Temple University, Philadelphia and the philly television market. I strongly agree with our Bowling Green rep. in that the philadelphia area is strictly a pro sports town. Further, in six years I have never seen a televised Rutgers football game against a school other than Temple. Temple is the only division 1-A football program in the Philadelphia area and, believe it or not, will receive the support of the city before Rutgers does. Philadelphia is a city full of people with lots of pride and they support anything that represents the spirit of philadelphia and its people. For instance, the Philadelphia Eagles, Phillies, Sixers and Flyers are always faced with the pressure of always having to represent the City of Philadelphia. Philadelphia fans are only considered one of the most passionate among sports towns!!!
Also, I like to make it a point to say that when a Philadelphia pro team continously does bad for several years. Guess what? No fans found in the seats. That is how philly works. So believe me when I say Temple will become this city's most popular college football team when they start winning, because they are philadelphia's best college football program and lone D-IA contender. People in this area like to use Penn State as their college football team, because Penn State football is so well known nationally and made to appear like a ghetto school full of stupid kids from the inner ghetto's of North Philadelphia like Temple is said.
Nevertheless, I have been around Temple football for six years now and every year they get better and better. The practice facilities are awesome and the stadium speaks for itself. The campus is beautiful and I think is one of the best big city schools to go to.
I think we have what it takes to make some noise in the mac and will look foward to becoming part of the leagues ellite along side BG and Toledo. Sorry, Ohio is not considered very good at the moment. Nevertheless, I am so excited about being part of the Mid-American Conference. You have no idea how much I dislike the Big East and pray Temple is never again affiliated with that sorry excuse for and corrupt conference.

BGSUalum1987 Wrote:

Kit-Cat Wrote:Never have I said that Philladelphians will back Rutgers over Temple or in place of Temple.......what I'm saying is the Big East can have games in the Philly market for Rutgers without Temple being in the league do to proximity of the Big East football schools to that market.

Sorry to hit on such a sensitive issue with you Temple fans, but I'm just trying to read the Big East mindset on expansion.

The flaw is that Rutgers is somehow important to the equation. It is not. Big East games will air because they are good games; same for ACC games, SEC games, etc. To expect any measurable difference in TV exposure because of Rutgers is using flawed logic.

One point which you've made about who is on TV out of the Big East is good and I'd like to expand upon it.

With the MAC package, usually the best games are produced for the regional distribution. A MAC game of the week will air on Fox Detroit, Fox Chicago, Fox Ohio regardless of the participants in the contest.

Likewise a Big East game of the week has been airing in Washington, DC and probably Philadelphia. What I've been trying to get across since the beginning of the discussion is the Big East can justify a game of the week broadcast in the Philly market with having Rutgers and UConn nearby and a general "Northeast" presence.......enough of presence in the Northeast that having a team located in Philly is not needed to maintain a regional relationship there.

Thus, the Big East has no need to readmit Temple.........but they are a nice pickup for the MAC's regional TV package.

TempleOwl21 Wrote:So believe me when I say Temple will become this city's most popular college football team when they start winning, because they are philadelphia's best college football program and lone D-IA contender. People in this area like to use Penn State as their college football team, because Penn State football is so well known nationally and made to appear like a ghetto school full of stupid kids from the inner ghetto's of North Philadelphia like Temple is said.

Oh I think Temple could improve its market share in Philadelphia increasing attendance. One problem you are up against aside from the Penn State reputation is so many colleges in Philly with their own followings which take away from potential support for the home town Division 1-A team.

In a town like Toledo, the UT Rockets are the primary university for the city and its easier for the community to rally around.

Pitt shares a pro market in Pittsburgh, but its the only credible Division 1 program for the city and that does make a difference.

Temple has a challenge from Villanova and Penn in both basketball and football with VU and Penn both having reputations as 1-AA football programs. Not to mention VU and Penn have better academic reputations.....it would be difficult to envision the college football market rallying around the third tier school.

KIT-KAT.
Ok, my previous post was written with the assumption you were implying the Big East is using Rutgers to replace Temple as philly's Division 1 team. Yes, Rutgers games will probably air in the philadelphia area, but I still do not think many people will even be the slightest bit interested in watching them. Unless, the featured game involves two team battling for first place league honors, a star running back needing 20 yards to break the all-time college football rushing record, or a popular football coach only needing one win to reach a total record of 600. The Big East would have a better shot with grabbing the attention of phillys television market if the likes of Miami were still around. However, the existing members of the Big East are of no interest to anyone is this area and the Big East is wasting their time if they think people will drop everything their doing in order to watch a Saturday football contest between Rutgers and West Virginia. Not going to happen!

Sept 1. Watch out. Go Owls!!!!

Further, I do not think VU or Penn football can be considered competition for city wide support? Also, Penn is known for their academics and does have a better rep than Temple, but I would not go as far as saything VU is better known for their academics. I would say Drexel's academic program is better than Temple's but that is it. VU is a school for rich preppy kids who were not able to get into Penn.
Temple is known for their academics all over the country and the world. VU is a good school, don't get me wrong, but Temple is far more respectable in the world of academics. Penn and Drexel are the only two schools who's academic programs are tops in the country!!!
Also, VU and Penn football are Division I-AA, which says it all. People who do attend those games are Penn or VU alum and family. However, people of philadelphia who did not attend college and who do not have a favorite team would rather see Big Time Division I-A football. Their is nothing exciting about Division D-IAA football nationally. Division I-A is as big as it gets in the U.S..
Temple has a hugh fan base, but does not have great attendance because of never ending array of losing seasons. Believe, all those heart breaking and embarrassing loses start catching up to you, and you'll rather watch the game on television. That way when things get bad, all you have to do is change the channel. As a former member of the Temple University diamond marching band, I have been to every home Temple Football game since 1999 until 2004 and only attended the first couple in 2005 as an alumni. The Bowling Green game did me in. The reason is because I have such high expectations year in and out and find that things just don't change. Losing is much more easier to deal with at home than in the stands.
I will be in the stands in 2006, but if things start getting ugly early, then I will do myself a favor and ride out the rest of the season at home.

Nevertheless, I still love my owls.

Hablamos,

Owl21