(04-08-2014 09:38 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-08-2014 09:14 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  

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(04-08-2014 07:07 PM)Liberty22 Wrote:  

(04-08-2014 06:50 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  The concerns of those of us opposed to Liberty's inclusion in the Sun Belt are based upon facts. Feel free to produce an openly Gay LU employee (not some contractor hired for a week), a practicing Jewish employee of the school, and the full Liberty Way student handbook that so that everyone can see the policies proscribing discipline for Gay students in federally recognized marriages. I think even the LU folks wont dare defend Mat Staver (then why does JFJ?) We feel that LU's 'strategy' of rejecting the talents of millions of Americans, simply because of those Americans' religion or sexual orientation is stupid and will produce less success in athletics.

None of LU's controversial policies are justified by any rational interpretation of Christianity (really - where in the Bible does it justify not employing persons outside your faith?). Nor will LU changing a few policies and reining in a Law School Dean that embarrasses the University just about every week on a network radio program make LU less of a Christian institution. Rather, it would make it MORE of one IMHO.

Liberty would be "a better than most" choice if they were willing to change a few policies (and would make them real peers of institutions they apparently aspire to be peers of, such as SMU and Notre Dame)

And guys, Liberty's behavior is going to look even worse next year. And even worse the year after that. If you want to argue that a school that rejects the talents of just about everyone is likely to be successful, then go right ahead. But its not what most people think. And that type of overt discrimination will be less and less acceptable as time progresses. And with LU's reluctance to cooperate with anyone, this might present an even greater issue moving forward.

But I guess we do have a way to force LU out of the Belt if they somehow get a bid. Just have the membership vote in some non-discrimination rules binding on all member institutions.

Without taking the time to look up smu, Tom you do realize that at notre dame you have to agree with, abide by, and advance the Catholic mission. So to say you'd take them and not Liberty wrecks your reasoning (since athletics is not considered)

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Liberty22, I'm very ignorant with regards to Liberty so please know that my statements and questions are sincere. I have never known anyone to be turned down from acceptance into Liberty due to grades or SAT/ACT scores. I probably live in a small world, but do you know my findings to be way off, and can you give examples.

With all of the online courses Liberty offers, many people draw a closer comparison to DeVry, University of Phoenix, and ITT rather than the University of Notre Dame as you have tried to compare LU. It has been stated by many that Liberty walks dangerously close to the line between being a "for profit" school versus a "non-profit" and the tax advantages that go with it.

I am a follower of Christ and an active member of a Southern Baptist church, so please don't conclude that I have any ill will towards the mission of Liberty. However, there are times when we need to be of the world in order to have the message received. I believe Liberty works the system in a way that is frowned upon by universities in which it wants to align itself and this is the bigger reason LU has difficulties in FBS conference affiliation rather than the menu of rules and regulations placed upon its students.

Liberty is not the only school walking a financial tax implication tightrope, but because of the strict student policies, it easily stands out from the crowd while others, such as JMU, Appy, etc., fight their financial battles using similar weapons.

According to U.S. News, 22.8% of students are accepted to Liberty. I think they (U.S. News) used to report +90% but that was because Liberty didn't give out the information showing how many students they had turned down. Because of this, among some other things, it really dragged down their ranking and since they reported a more accurate number then their ranking increased.

I've heard it mentioned here several times that many of the schools in the Sun Belt have the mission to offer affordable and quality education to in-state students. Liberty is similar in the way that they want to offer quality education to as many individuals as they can because they believe that everyone deserves the chance at a Christian education. Dr. Falwell Sr. used to say, "If it's Christian, it should be better."

I think chiefsfan (and I'm sorry if it was someone else or I'm misquoting) said it best, "Liberty is a private school acting like a public while JMU is a public school acting like a private."

Twasnt I. I am pretty sure an ASU fan said it though.