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18 team P4 - 1Dukie - 01-28-2018 04:11 PM
BIG: Notre Dame, Missouri, Kansas, and Iowa State
SEC: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and West Virginia
ACC: Baylor, Houston, Texas, and Texas Christian
PAC: Texas Tech, Kansas State, UNLV, and New Mexico
RE: 18 team P4 - murrdcu - 01-28-2018 07:39 PM
Sec only at 17 members
Big Ten would land Moby Dick and schools that don’t help big West in football too much
Texas will be chained to Tech, maybe Baylor again. TCU >> Houston, ACC might want to add a Cincy or UConn or West Virginia
If PAC Networks don’t start returning revenues comparable to other P5’s, they’ll break up and join other conferences or go independent. A cluster of PAC independents might seem favorable to Texas going independent in football and then joining a rebuilt a local Big 12 or SWC for B.B. and all other sports
RE: 18 team P4 - JRsec - 01-28-2018 08:11 PM
(01-28-2018 04:11 PM)1Dukie Wrote: BIG: Notre Dame, Missouri, Kansas, and Iowa State
SEC: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and West Virginia
ACC: Baylor, Houston, Texas, and Texas Christian
PAC: Texas Tech, Kansas State, UNLV, and New Mexico
Let's not worry about moving Missouri.
Kansas won't make the Big 10 without Texas or Oklahoma. There isn't enough value to cover them with Missouri and they aren't taking Iowa State.
Oklahoma and Oklahoma State do bring the SEC value, but not nearly as much as Oklahoma alone. If Texas was heading to the Big 10 then the SEC would probably take OSU to get Oklahoma because having just 1 of Texas or Oklahoma locks us into the top earning spot.
If Texas won't head to the Big 10 and the SEC gets Oklahoma the Big 10 won't take anyone. They'll wait on Virginia and Notre Dame, even if they never go. Or they'll watch the situation developing in the PAC.
If Texas heads to the ACC they'll go alone and as an independent. But Texas is watching the situation in the PAC right now as well.
And the networks are watching the ratings, waiting on the FBI report which may lead to taxation of the product, waiting on the GOR's to expire, and watching the transition to more of a pay by the viewer pay model as opposed to subscription fees.
Since the B12 members make more than the PAC members by nearly 7 million a year in TV revenue, and since their Athletic Dept Gross Revenue averages 15 million more per year than a PAC school I doubt that any of them are hankering to move West.
If the Big 12 does break up somebody might be able to go to 18 out of it, but probably not anymore than 2 of the 4.
RE: 18 team P4 - BePcr07 - 01-28-2018 09:33 PM
I don't see how a P4 with 18 schools per conference will work and make all 4 remaining conferences happy unless both the XII and ACC are imploded to a certain degree.
PAC
North: Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St, Utah, Colorado
South: California, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona St
East: Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Kansas, Kansas St
SEC
West: Texas A&M, Missouri, Arkansas, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St
Central: Florida St, Alabama, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Virginia Tech
East: Auburn, Georgia, Florida, Clemson, South Carolina, North Carolina St
B1G
West: Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern
Central: Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Penn St
East: Rutgers, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech
ACC
West: Iowa St, Memphis, SMU, TCU, Baylor, Houston
South: Miami, South Florida, Central Florida, Wake Forest, Louisville, Cincinnati
North: Notre Dame, West Virginia, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Boston College, Connecticut
RE: 18 team P4 - Hokie Mark - 01-31-2018 10:14 PM
(01-28-2018 09:33 PM)BePcr07 Wrote: I don't see how a P4 with 18 schools per conference will work and make all 4 remaining conferences happy unless both the XII and ACC are imploded to a certain degree.Do you really think Alabama would agree to that division? Without digging too much I'm sure there are other power players who would be unhappy... and that's the problem with most of these end game scenarios: they assume some teams (or entire conferences) will agree to a deal which is bad for them. If they betray their students and peers now, where is this"greater good" supposed to come from?
PAC
North: Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St, Utah, Colorado
South: California, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona St
East: Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Kansas, Kansas St
SEC
West: Texas A&M, Missouri, Arkansas, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St
Central: Florida St, Alabama, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Virginia Tech
East: Auburn, Georgia, Florida, Clemson, South Carolina, North Carolina St
B1G
West: Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern
Central: Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Penn St
East: Rutgers, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech
ACC
West: Iowa St, Memphis, SMU, TCU, Baylor, Houston
South: Miami, South Florida, Central Florida, Wake Forest, Louisville, Cincinnati
North: Notre Dame, West Virginia, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Boston College, Connecticut
RE: 18 team P4 - BePcr07 - 02-01-2018 01:24 AM
(01-31-2018 10:14 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:(01-28-2018 09:33 PM)BePcr07 Wrote: I don't see how a P4 with 18 schools per conference will work and make all 4 remaining conferences happy unless both the XII and ACC are imploded to a certain degree.Do you really think Alabama would agree to that division? Without digging too much I'm sure there are other power players who would be unhappy... and that's the problem with most of these end game scenarios: they assume some teams (or entire conferences) will agree to a deal which is bad for them. If they betray their students and peers now, where is this"greater good" supposed to come from?
PAC
North: Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St, Utah, Colorado
South: California, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona St
East: Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Kansas, Kansas St
SEC
West: Texas A&M, Missouri, Arkansas, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St
Central: Florida St, Alabama, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Virginia Tech
East: Auburn, Georgia, Florida, Clemson, South Carolina, North Carolina St
B1G
West: Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern
Central: Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Penn St
East: Rutgers, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech
ACC
West: Iowa St, Memphis, SMU, TCU, Baylor, Houston
South: Miami, South Florida, Central Florida, Wake Forest, Louisville, Cincinnati
North: Notre Dame, West Virginia, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Boston College, Connecticut
No idea