Quote:Neil Steinberg, a journalist at the Chicago Sun-Times, tried to buy a semi-automatic rifle at Maxon Shooter’s Supplies in Des Plaines, Illinois, following the Orlando nightclub massacre, to prove how easy it was to obtain an “assault rifle.”

To make the purchase, Steinberg needed a Firearm’s Owners’ Identification Card (FOID), which he had, and he needed to fill out the background check forms that are required to buy a firearm.

During the 24-hour waiting period, the gun store informed Steinberg that he was not legally eligible to purchase the gun because he failed his background check due to “an admitted history of alcohol abuse, and a charge for domestic battery involving his wife.”

(11-17-2017 06:48 PM)miko33 Wrote:  Apologies if this has been posted before, but I stumbled across this just now. Evidently a reporter for the Chicago Sun Times tried to buy an AR-15 to demonstrate how easy it is for someone to buy an "assault" rifle. Here is how it went down...

Gun Laws in Action?

Quote:Neil Steinberg, a journalist at the Chicago Sun-Times, tried to buy a semi-automatic rifle at Maxon Shooter’s Supplies in Des Plaines, Illinois, following the Orlando nightclub massacre, to prove how easy it was to obtain an “assault rifle.”

To make the purchase, Steinberg needed a Firearm’s Owners’ Identification Card (FOID), which he had, and he needed to fill out the background check forms that are required to buy a firearm.

During the 24-hour waiting period, the gun store informed Steinberg that he was not legally eligible to purchase the gun because he failed his background check due to “an admitted history of alcohol abuse, and a charge for domestic battery involving his wife.”

Looks like the laws protected us from a potentially dangerous individual. They work when you try to legally purchase a firearm.

(11-17-2017 11:11 PM)dfarr Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 06:48 PM)miko33 Wrote:  Apologies if this has been posted before, but I stumbled across this just now. Evidently a reporter for the Chicago Sun Times tried to buy an AR-15 to demonstrate how easy it is for someone to buy an "assault" rifle. Here is how it went down...

Gun Laws in Action?

Quote:Neil Steinberg, a journalist at the Chicago Sun-Times, tried to buy a semi-automatic rifle at Maxon Shooter’s Supplies in Des Plaines, Illinois, following the Orlando nightclub massacre, to prove how easy it was to obtain an “assault rifle.”

To make the purchase, Steinberg needed a Firearm’s Owners’ Identification Card (FOID), which he had, and he needed to fill out the background check forms that are required to buy a firearm.

During the 24-hour waiting period, the gun store informed Steinberg that he was not legally eligible to purchase the gun because he failed his background check due to “an admitted history of alcohol abuse, and a charge for domestic battery involving his wife.”

Looks like the laws protected us from a potentially dangerous individual. They work when you try to legally purchase a firearm.

I had heard about this a while ago. People who complain about how easy it is to buy a gun have never actually tried to buy one. Sure, for folks like me who have no criminal record it is easy, as it should be. The last gun I bought in June took me about 5 minutes to buy, but I have my CC permit which makes it even easier to buy.

(11-18-2017 08:08 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 11:11 PM)dfarr Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 06:48 PM)miko33 Wrote:  Apologies if this has been posted before, but I stumbled across this just now. Evidently a reporter for the Chicago Sun Times tried to buy an AR-15 to demonstrate how easy it is for someone to buy an "assault" rifle. Here is how it went down...

Gun Laws in Action?

Quote:Neil Steinberg, a journalist at the Chicago Sun-Times, tried to buy a semi-automatic rifle at Maxon Shooter’s Supplies in Des Plaines, Illinois, following the Orlando nightclub massacre, to prove how easy it was to obtain an “assault rifle.”

To make the purchase, Steinberg needed a Firearm’s Owners’ Identification Card (FOID), which he had, and he needed to fill out the background check forms that are required to buy a firearm.

During the 24-hour waiting period, the gun store informed Steinberg that he was not legally eligible to purchase the gun because he failed his background check due to “an admitted history of alcohol abuse, and a charge for domestic battery involving his wife.”

Looks like the laws protected us from a potentially dangerous individual. They work when you try to legally purchase a firearm.

I had heard about this a while ago. People who complain about how easy it is to buy a gun have never actually tried to buy one. Sure, for folks like me who have no criminal record it is easy, as it should be. The last gun I bought in June took me about 5 minutes to buy, but I have my CC permit which makes it even easier to buy.

What about personal sales? Do they have the same standard? Genuine question.

(11-18-2017 08:08 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 11:11 PM)dfarr Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 06:48 PM)miko33 Wrote:  Apologies if this has been posted before, but I stumbled across this just now. Evidently a reporter for the Chicago Sun Times tried to buy an AR-15 to demonstrate how easy it is for someone to buy an "assault" rifle. Here is how it went down...

Gun Laws in Action?

Quote:Neil Steinberg, a journalist at the Chicago Sun-Times, tried to buy a semi-automatic rifle at Maxon Shooter’s Supplies in Des Plaines, Illinois, following the Orlando nightclub massacre, to prove how easy it was to obtain an “assault rifle.”

To make the purchase, Steinberg needed a Firearm’s Owners’ Identification Card (FOID), which he had, and he needed to fill out the background check forms that are required to buy a firearm.

During the 24-hour waiting period, the gun store informed Steinberg that he was not legally eligible to purchase the gun because he failed his background check due to “an admitted history of alcohol abuse, and a charge for domestic battery involving his wife.”

Looks like the laws protected us from a potentially dangerous individual. They work when you try to legally purchase a firearm.

I had heard about this a while ago. People who complain about how easy it is to buy a gun have never actually tried to buy one. Sure, for folks like me who have no criminal record it is easy, as it should be. The last gun I bought in June took me about 5 minutes to buy, but I have my CC permit which makes it even easier to buy.

What about personal sales? Do they have the same standard? Genuine question.

(11-18-2017 08:27 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 08:08 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 11:11 PM)dfarr Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 06:48 PM)miko33 Wrote:  Apologies if this has been posted before, but I stumbled across this just now. Evidently a reporter for the Chicago Sun Times tried to buy an AR-15 to demonstrate how easy it is for someone to buy an "assault" rifle. Here is how it went down...

Gun Laws in Action?

Quote:Neil Steinberg, a journalist at the Chicago Sun-Times, tried to buy a semi-automatic rifle at Maxon Shooter’s Supplies in Des Plaines, Illinois, following the Orlando nightclub massacre, to prove how easy it was to obtain an “assault rifle.”

To make the purchase, Steinberg needed a Firearm’s Owners’ Identification Card (FOID), which he had, and he needed to fill out the background check forms that are required to buy a firearm.

During the 24-hour waiting period, the gun store informed Steinberg that he was not legally eligible to purchase the gun because he failed his background check due to “an admitted history of alcohol abuse, and a charge for domestic battery involving his wife.”

Looks like the laws protected us from a potentially dangerous individual. They work when you try to legally purchase a firearm.

I had heard about this a while ago. People who complain about how easy it is to buy a gun have never actually tried to buy one. Sure, for folks like me who have no criminal record it is easy, as it should be. The last gun I bought in June took me about 5 minutes to buy, but I have my CC permit which makes it even easier to buy.

What about personal sales? Do they have the same standard? Genuine question.

I think you already know the answer. How many private citizens have access to that database? Genuine question.

Are you proposing confiscation to assure no personal sales occur? What is your "fix"? Do you think the criminal element will "follow the rules" anyway? Genuine question.

(11-18-2017 09:52 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 08:27 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 08:08 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 11:11 PM)dfarr Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 06:48 PM)miko33 Wrote:  Apologies if this has been posted before, but I stumbled across this just now. Evidently a reporter for the Chicago Sun Times tried to buy an AR-15 to demonstrate how easy it is for someone to buy an "assault" rifle. Here is how it went down...

Gun Laws in Action?


Looks like the laws protected us from a potentially dangerous individual. They work when you try to legally purchase a firearm.

I had heard about this a while ago. People who complain about how easy it is to buy a gun have never actually tried to buy one. Sure, for folks like me who have no criminal record it is easy, as it should be. The last gun I bought in June took me about 5 minutes to buy, but I have my CC permit which makes it even easier to buy.

What about personal sales? Do they have the same standard? Genuine question.

I think you already know the answer. How many private citizens have access to that database? Genuine question.

Are you proposing confiscation to assure no personal sales occur? What is your "fix"? Do you think the criminal element will "follow the rules" anyway? Genuine question.

1. No, I do not know the answer to that question, which is why I asked. Im assuming from your answer that they do not, but you weren't really clear.

2. I don't see what the fact criminality will always exist has to do with a question about private gun sales. I have proposed no "fix" because at this point I haven't even isolated what I'd consider a problem.

People here need to stop placing meaning into posts that don't exist, it's like some posters around here can't imagine someone coming to a discussion without their minds made upon the issue in its entirety.

(11-18-2017 11:21 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 09:52 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 08:27 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 08:08 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 11:11 PM)dfarr Wrote:  I had heard about this a while ago. People who complain about how easy it is to buy a gun have never actually tried to buy one. Sure, for folks like me who have no criminal record it is easy, as it should be. The last gun I bought in June took me about 5 minutes to buy, but I have my CC permit which makes it even easier to buy.

What about personal sales? Do they have the same standard? Genuine question.

I think you already know the answer. How many private citizens have access to that database? Genuine question.

Are you proposing confiscation to assure no personal sales occur? What is your "fix"? Do you think the criminal element will "follow the rules" anyway? Genuine question.

1. No, I do not know the answer to that question, which is why I asked. Im assuming from your answer that they do not, but you weren't really clear.

2. I don't see what the fact criminality will always exist has to do with a question about private gun sales. I have proposed no "fix" because at this point I haven't even isolated what I'd consider a problem.

People here need to stop placing meaning into posts that don't exist, it's like some posters around here can't imagine someone coming to a discussion without their minds made upon the issue in its entirety.

Well, what makes people who own guns so touchy is that they know there is an element that would like nothing more than to have the government confiscate guns under the guise that it would prevent gun violence - not to mention gun ownership is a constitutionally protected citizens right.

FYI, don't assume I'm one of those "gun nuts". While I was a hunter earlier in my life and owned guns, I haven't had one on my possession for at least 30 years. With that, I'm still a staunch believer in the 2nd amendment.

(11-18-2017 08:08 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 11:11 PM)dfarr Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 06:48 PM)miko33 Wrote:  Apologies if this has been posted before, but I stumbled across this just now. Evidently a reporter for the Chicago Sun Times tried to buy an AR-15 to demonstrate how easy it is for someone to buy an "assault" rifle. Here is how it went down...

Gun Laws in Action?

Quote:Neil Steinberg, a journalist at the Chicago Sun-Times, tried to buy a semi-automatic rifle at Maxon Shooter’s Supplies in Des Plaines, Illinois, following the Orlando nightclub massacre, to prove how easy it was to obtain an “assault rifle.”

To make the purchase, Steinberg needed a Firearm’s Owners’ Identification Card (FOID), which he had, and he needed to fill out the background check forms that are required to buy a firearm.

During the 24-hour waiting period, the gun store informed Steinberg that he was not legally eligible to purchase the gun because he failed his background check due to “an admitted history of alcohol abuse, and a charge for domestic battery involving his wife.”

Looks like the laws protected us from a potentially dangerous individual. They work when you try to legally purchase a firearm.

I had heard about this a while ago. People who complain about how easy it is to buy a gun have never actually tried to buy one. Sure, for folks like me who have no criminal record it is easy, as it should be. The last gun I bought in June took me about 5 minutes to buy, but I have my CC permit which makes it even easier to buy.

What about personal sales? Do they have the same standard? Genuine question.

(11-18-2017 11:42 AM)dfarr Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 08:08 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 11:11 PM)dfarr Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 06:48 PM)miko33 Wrote:  Apologies if this has been posted before, but I stumbled across this just now. Evidently a reporter for the Chicago Sun Times tried to buy an AR-15 to demonstrate how easy it is for someone to buy an "assault" rifle. Here is how it went down...

Gun Laws in Action?

Quote:Neil Steinberg, a journalist at the Chicago Sun-Times, tried to buy a semi-automatic rifle at Maxon Shooter’s Supplies in Des Plaines, Illinois, following the Orlando nightclub massacre, to prove how easy it was to obtain an “assault rifle.”

To make the purchase, Steinberg needed a Firearm’s Owners’ Identification Card (FOID), which he had, and he needed to fill out the background check forms that are required to buy a firearm.

During the 24-hour waiting period, the gun store informed Steinberg that he was not legally eligible to purchase the gun because he failed his background check due to “an admitted history of alcohol abuse, and a charge for domestic battery involving his wife.”

Looks like the laws protected us from a potentially dangerous individual. They work when you try to legally purchase a firearm.

I had heard about this a while ago. People who complain about how easy it is to buy a gun have never actually tried to buy one. Sure, for folks like me who have no criminal record it is easy, as it should be. The last gun I bought in June took me about 5 minutes to buy, but I have my CC permit which makes it even easier to buy.

What about personal sales? Do they have the same standard? Genuine question.

Depends on who you're selling it to. If i'm selling it to a family member or a friend then there is no paperwork needed because I know the person isn't dangerous.

Now, if I were to sell to a stranger, then to protect myself you can arrange it through a FFL dealer where they will actually do the background check for a small fee.

I'm not a big time gun person, I only have 2 pistols and a shotgun, but my brother in law is and thats how he does his sales to people that he doesn't know.

(11-18-2017 11:45 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 11:42 AM)dfarr Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 08:08 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 11:11 PM)dfarr Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 06:48 PM)miko33 Wrote:  Apologies if this has been posted before, but I stumbled across this just now. Evidently a reporter for the Chicago Sun Times tried to buy an AR-15 to demonstrate how easy it is for someone to buy an "assault" rifle. Here is how it went down...

Gun Laws in Action?


Looks like the laws protected us from a potentially dangerous individual. They work when you try to legally purchase a firearm.

I had heard about this a while ago. People who complain about how easy it is to buy a gun have never actually tried to buy one. Sure, for folks like me who have no criminal record it is easy, as it should be. The last gun I bought in June took me about 5 minutes to buy, but I have my CC permit which makes it even easier to buy.

What about personal sales? Do they have the same standard? Genuine question.

Depends on who you're selling it to. If i'm selling it to a family member or a friend then there is no paperwork needed because I know the person isn't dangerous.

Now, if I were to sell to a stranger, then to protect myself you can arrange it through a FFL dealer where they will actually do the background check for a small fee.

I'm not a big time gun person, I only have 2 pistols and a shotgun, but my brother in law is and thats how he does his sales to people that he doesn't know.

That seems like an entirely reasonable way to handle that sort of sale.

(11-18-2017 12:14 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 11:45 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 11:42 AM)dfarr Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 08:08 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 11:11 PM)dfarr Wrote:  I had heard about this a while ago. People who complain about how easy it is to buy a gun have never actually tried to buy one. Sure, for folks like me who have no criminal record it is easy, as it should be. The last gun I bought in June took me about 5 minutes to buy, but I have my CC permit which makes it even easier to buy.

What about personal sales? Do they have the same standard? Genuine question.

Depends on who you're selling it to. If i'm selling it to a family member or a friend then there is no paperwork needed because I know the person isn't dangerous.

Now, if I were to sell to a stranger, then to protect myself you can arrange it through a FFL dealer where they will actually do the background check for a small fee.

I'm not a big time gun person, I only have 2 pistols and a shotgun, but my brother in law is and thats how he does his sales to people that he doesn't know.

That seems like an entirely reasonable way to handle that sort of sale.

Yep.

(11-18-2017 09:31 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I'll get in trouble with other gun proponents but if I the left wouldn't so obviously just use it as a an entry into more and more future restriction, I'd be fine with having to go through a FFL to xfer privately. As long as inter family transfers and lending were expressly excluded. It would be like a $20-25 tax on xfers.

But it would be just an avenue for move government intrusion so it won't happen.