(03-21-2017 01:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  President Donald Trump paid a rare personal visit to House Republicans on Tuesday morning to pitch his newly revised health care plan in front of a deeply skeptical caucus of conservatives. Apparently frustrated by the continued resistance within his own to party to one of his signature campaign promises, Trump took to directing threats at specific conservatives on Capitol Hill — a move that appears to have already backfired.

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These guys are going to implode.

(03-21-2017 01:23 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 01:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  President Donald Trump paid a rare personal visit to House Republicans on Tuesday morning to pitch his newly revised health care plan in front of a deeply skeptical caucus of conservatives. Apparently frustrated by the continued resistance within his own to party to one of his signature campaign promises, Trump took to directing threats at specific conservatives on Capitol Hill — a move that appears to have already backfired.

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These guys are going to implode.

Is this supposed to be a problem?

(03-21-2017 01:35 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I'm hoping for it.

(03-21-2017 01:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 01:23 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 01:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  President Donald Trump paid a rare personal visit to House Republicans on Tuesday morning to pitch his newly revised health care plan in front of a deeply skeptical caucus of conservatives. Apparently frustrated by the continued resistance within his own to party to one of his signature campaign promises, Trump took to directing threats at specific conservatives on Capitol Hill — a move that appears to have already backfired.

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These guys are going to implode.

Is this supposed to be a problem?

It depends on whether or not you like Trump's plan. If you do, then it probably isn't.

If you don't then it probably is a problem.

My understanding is that this plan is Obamacare light. I can live with that. Can you?

Quote:“He said, ‘Y’all ran on repealing Obamacare. Looks like you’d be ripe for a primary if you don’t keep your promise,'” Texas Republican Rep. Blake Farenthold told reporters after Trump’s hourlong visit to the basement of the Capitol ended. North Carolina Republican Rep. Richard Hudson further explained to reporters, “The president’s message was that the American people are counting on us to repeal Obamacare and this is our one chance to do it. And if we fail, there will be consequences for our party and for us as individuals.”

(03-21-2017 01:43 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 01:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 01:23 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 01:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  President Donald Trump paid a rare personal visit to House Republicans on Tuesday morning to pitch his newly revised health care plan in front of a deeply skeptical caucus of conservatives. Apparently frustrated by the continued resistance within his own to party to one of his signature campaign promises, Trump took to directing threats at specific conservatives on Capitol Hill — a move that appears to have already backfired.

Link


These guys are going to implode.

Is this supposed to be a problem?

It depends on whether or not you like Trump's plan. If you do, then it probably isn't.

If you don't then it probably is a problem.

My understanding is that this plan is Obamacare light. I can live with that. Can you?

You don't even read the garbage that you post.

Quote:“He said, ‘Y’all ran on repealing Obamacare. Looks like you’d be ripe for a primary if you don’t keep your promise,'” Texas Republican Rep. Blake Farenthold told reporters after Trump’s hourlong visit to the basement of the Capitol ended. North Carolina Republican Rep. Richard Hudson further explained to reporters, “The president’s message was that the American people are counting on us to repeal Obamacare and this is our one chance to do it. And if we fail, there will be consequences for our party and for us as individuals.”

(03-21-2017 01:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 01:43 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 01:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 01:23 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 01:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  President Donald Trump paid a rare personal visit to House Republicans on Tuesday morning to pitch his newly revised health care plan in front of a deeply skeptical caucus of conservatives. Apparently frustrated by the continued resistance within his own to party to one of his signature campaign promises, Trump took to directing threats at specific conservatives on Capitol Hill — a move that appears to have already backfired.

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These guys are going to implode.

Is this supposed to be a problem?

It depends on whether or not you like Trump's plan. If you do, then it probably isn't.

If you don't then it probably is a problem.

My understanding is that this plan is Obamacare light. I can live with that. Can you?

You don't even read the garbage that you post.

Quote:“He said, ‘Y’all ran on repealing Obamacare. Looks like you’d be ripe for a primary if you don’t keep your promise,'” Texas Republican Rep. Blake Farenthold told reporters after Trump’s hourlong visit to the basement of the Capitol ended. North Carolina Republican Rep. Richard Hudson further explained to reporters, “The president’s message was that the American people are counting on us to repeal Obamacare and this is our one chance to do it. And if we fail, there will be consequences for our party and for us as individuals.”

Not sure how what you posted changes anything.

(03-21-2017 01:58 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 01:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 01:43 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 01:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 01:23 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  Is this supposed to be a problem?

It depends on whether or not you like Trump's plan. If you do, then it probably isn't.

If you don't then it probably is a problem.

My understanding is that this plan is Obamacare light. I can live with that. Can you?

You don't even read the garbage that you post.

Quote:“He said, ‘Y’all ran on repealing Obamacare. Looks like you’d be ripe for a primary if you don’t keep your promise,'” Texas Republican Rep. Blake Farenthold told reporters after Trump’s hourlong visit to the basement of the Capitol ended. North Carolina Republican Rep. Richard Hudson further explained to reporters, “The president’s message was that the American people are counting on us to repeal Obamacare and this is our one chance to do it. And if we fail, there will be consequences for our party and for us as individuals.”

Not sure how what you posted changes anything.

It changes a lot. As far as "Obamacare" light, they can call it that if they want. The 3-pronged approach to

1. Repeal / replace (we're in this phase)
2. Regulatory relief
3. Other healthcare reforms

When Ryan introduced this bill initially it was assumed we'd only have #1 above. Also, "Obamacare light" has been tweaked since it was called that.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/repeal-and-replace

(03-21-2017 02:06 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 01:58 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 01:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 01:43 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 01:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  It depends on whether or not you like Trump's plan. If you do, then it probably isn't.

If you don't then it probably is a problem.

My understanding is that this plan is Obamacare light. I can live with that. Can you?

You don't even read the garbage that you post.

Quote:“He said, ‘Y’all ran on repealing Obamacare. Looks like you’d be ripe for a primary if you don’t keep your promise,'” Texas Republican Rep. Blake Farenthold told reporters after Trump’s hourlong visit to the basement of the Capitol ended. North Carolina Republican Rep. Richard Hudson further explained to reporters, “The president’s message was that the American people are counting on us to repeal Obamacare and this is our one chance to do it. And if we fail, there will be consequences for our party and for us as individuals.”

Not sure how what you posted changes anything.

It changes a lot. As far as "Obamacare" light, they can call it that if they want. The 3-pronged approach to

1. Repeal / replace (we're in this phase)
2. Regulatory relief
3. Other healthcare reforms

When Ryan introduced this bill initially it was assumed we'd only have #1 above. Also, "Obamacare light" has been tweaked since it was called that.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/repeal-and-replace

So are you now if favor of his plan?

(03-21-2017 02:11 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 02:06 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 01:58 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 01:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 01:43 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  You don't even read the garbage that you post.

Not sure how what you posted changes anything.

It changes a lot. As far as "Obamacare" light, they can call it that if they want. The 3-pronged approach to

1. Repeal / replace (we're in this phase)
2. Regulatory relief
3. Other healthcare reforms

When Ryan introduced this bill initially it was assumed we'd only have #1 above. Also, "Obamacare light" has been tweaked since it was called that.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/repeal-and-replace

So are you now if favor of his plan?

If we follow through with #2 and #3 can live with it. Personally speaking I think I'd prefer Obamacare to die a more natural death. Problem if you do that is that the media will go into hysterics about people "dying in the streets", etc, etc, etc... They're going to do that anyway. There isn't a win/win here for anybody.

Obamacare was little more than a half measure towards single payer that failed miserably. Biggest "win" for me is the elimination of the mandate. That was the #1 problem with Obamacare IMHO. #2 problem is that it doesn't do anything to increase the supply but increased the demand, see #1. I think that if we follow through with #2 and #3 it should help with the supply side of the equation. Do those things and overall we're going to have a better system (still far from perfect) than we have now and just before that. JMHO.

(03-21-2017 02:15 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 02:11 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 02:06 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 01:58 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 01:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Not sure how what you posted changes anything.

It changes a lot. As far as "Obamacare" light, they can call it that if they want. The 3-pronged approach to

1. Repeal / replace (we're in this phase)
2. Regulatory relief
3. Other healthcare reforms

When Ryan introduced this bill initially it was assumed we'd only have #1 above. Also, "Obamacare light" has been tweaked since it was called that.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/repeal-and-replace

So are you now if favor of his plan?

If we follow through with #2 and #3 can live with it. Personally speaking I think I'd prefer Obamacare to die a more natural death. Problem if you do that is that the media will go into hysterics about people "dying in the streets", etc, etc, etc... They're going to do that anyway. There isn't a win/win here for anybody.

Obamacare was little more than a half measure towards single payer that failed miserably. Biggest "win" for me is the elimination of the mandate. That was the #1 problem with Obamacare IMHO. #2 problem is that it doesn't do anything to increase the supply but increased the demand, see #1. I think that if we follow through with #2 and #3 it should help with the supply side of the equation. Do those things and overall we're going to have a better system (still far from perfect) than we have now and just before that. JMHO.

So putting it like that, why the fight from certain GOP?

(03-21-2017 02:06 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 01:58 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 01:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 01:43 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 01:32 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  It depends on whether or not you like Trump's plan. If you do, then it probably isn't.

If you don't then it probably is a problem.

My understanding is that this plan is Obamacare light. I can live with that. Can you?

You don't even read the garbage that you post.

Quote:“He said, ‘Y’all ran on repealing Obamacare. Looks like you’d be ripe for a primary if you don’t keep your promise,'” Texas Republican Rep. Blake Farenthold told reporters after Trump’s hourlong visit to the basement of the Capitol ended. North Carolina Republican Rep. Richard Hudson further explained to reporters, “The president’s message was that the American people are counting on us to repeal Obamacare and this is our one chance to do it. And if we fail, there will be consequences for our party and for us as individuals.”

Not sure how what you posted changes anything.

It changes a lot. As far as "Obamacare" light, they can call it that if they want. The 3-pronged approach to

1. Repeal / replace (we're in this phase)
2. Regulatory relief
3. Other healthcare reforms

When Ryan introduced this bill initially it was assumed we'd only have #1 above. Also, "Obamacare light" has been tweaked since it was called that.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/repeal-and-replace

So are you now if favor of his plan?

(03-21-2017 01:58 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  It changes a lot. As far as "Obamacare" light, they can call it that if they want. The 3-pronged approach to

1. Repeal / replace (we're in this phase)
2. Regulatory relief
3. Other healthcare reforms

When Ryan introduced this bill initially it was assumed we'd only have #1 above. Also, "Obamacare light" has been tweaked since it was called that.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/repeal-and-replace

(03-21-2017 02:38 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 02:06 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 01:58 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 01:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 01:43 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  You don't even read the garbage that you post.

Not sure how what you posted changes anything.

It changes a lot. As far as "Obamacare" light, they can call it that if they want. The 3-pronged approach to

1. Repeal / replace (we're in this phase)
2. Regulatory relief
3. Other healthcare reforms

When Ryan introduced this bill initially it was assumed we'd only have #1 above. Also, "Obamacare light" has been tweaked since it was called that.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/repeal-and-replace

So are you now if favor of his plan?

I'm for any plan as long as it is an improvement on what we currently have.

(03-21-2017 02:40 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  One of the things they added to Ryan's plan is the work program that the able bodied have to get a job. It is already in place in Arkansas that goes with Obamacare which is why Obamacare is working in Arkansas.

(03-21-2017 03:07 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 02:40 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  One of the things they added to Ryan's plan is the work program that the able bodied have to get a job. It is already in place in Arkansas that goes with Obamacare which is why Obamacare is working in Arkansas.

It's about time. Enough of these deadbeats crying that they can't work. Only the truly handicapped and elderly should be eligible. If the elderly would like to still work then it's for the better. No one says a person who is elderly can't work in office type work. It instills a thinking that they are working for their benefits. Like the Foster Grandparents Program where I did an internship.