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big conferences dominate NCAAW - bullet - 03-19-2017 08:05 AM
http://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/tournament/bracket
The big $s the P5 get really shows up in the non-rev sports where they do hire the best coaches and have vastly better facilities. Most smaller school traditional women's powers have faded. Louisiana Tech and Old Dominion didn't make the tournament.
In the round of 32, there are 28 P5 schools, 2 Big East schools, UConn from the AAC and Quinnipac who upset a Big East school. Most of the first round games weren't close. Some were absurd (Baylor 119, TXU 30--game was 50-7 with less than 3 minutes left in first half, Duke 94, Hampton 31.
Men's basketball has money so smaller schools focus a lot of resources there, but its getting harder for them to compete elsewhere.
In women's only 9 of 32 games were decided by less than 10 points and one was a P5 matchup. Of the remaining 8, 5 were less than 7 points-2 vs. AAC schools + Belmont-Kentucky (3), FGCU-Miami (2) and Long Beach St.-OR St. (1).
RE: big conferences dominate NCAAW - NoDak - 03-19-2017 09:04 AM
Women's BB also has more scholarships, 15 vs 13. If it went to 13, a lot more good players would be forced down too. P5 vacuums them all up now.
RE: big conferences dominate NCAAW - IWokeUpLikeThis - 03-19-2017 02:54 PM
Louisiana Tech's drop from the face of the Earth has been sad to watch.
RE: big conferences dominate NCAAW - Wedge - 03-19-2017 04:58 PM
Better facilities is a big deal. When schools that spend money on men's basketball build top-notch facilities, it benefits the women's basketball team as well.
There were only 2 top-8 seeds (out of 32) from non-power conferences in the women's tournament this year (one 7-seed, one 8-seed).
RE: big conferences dominate NCAAW - bullet - 03-21-2017 09:52 AM
First round, only two #9s, 1 #10 and 1 #12 make the round of 32.
Sweet 16 only 1 #5 (Ohio St.), 1 #10 (Oregon) and 1 #12 (Quinnipac) weren't top 4 seeds. 11 of the top 12 made it.
Sweet 16 includes:
5 Pac 12
3 ACC
2 Big 12
2 Big 10
2 SEC
1 AAC (UConn)
1 MAAC (Quinnipac-#12 seed)
RE: big conferences dominate NCAAW - jacksfan29 - 03-22-2017 11:55 AM
(03-19-2017 09:04 AM)NoDak Wrote: Women's BB also has more scholarships, 15 vs 13. If it went to 13, a lot more good players would be forced down too. P5 vacuums them all up now.
That is a big part of the problem in Women's BB. There are fewer of the top quality women available and the best P5 schools stockpile talent that would be spread out better if they were forced to drop down to 13. or even 12. UCONN's last five sitting the bench would be starters for almost every other AAC school.
South Dak State has a top notch women's mid-major program. We cherry pick a lot of the best talent in SD and MN. We out recruit the Gophers every year in Minnesota. But outside of a couple years in the past decade, when we run up against a top 10 ranked P5 schools we get it handed to us. Women's BB will need to change if it ever wants to attract the average fan.
RE: big conferences dominate NCAAW - Carolina_Low_Country - 03-22-2017 03:18 PM
P5 + Big East dominated the NCAA all sweet 16 schools expect for Gonzaga are from P5 or Big East.
The American needs to add VCU, Dayton, and Wichita State ASAP to grow basketball. If those schools had been in the conference this year the American would have had around 4-5 schools make the tournament. the American is leaving a lot of money on the table by not putting more teams into the NCAA>
RE: big conferences dominate NCAAW - quo vadis - 03-22-2017 03:19 PM
Sad fact is nobody cares about women's hoops because everyone assumes UConn will win so the tournament doesn't matter.
At least when Summit was at Tennessee you could kind of wonder who would win UConn vs Tennessee. But now, nothing.
RE: big conferences dominate NCAAW - TrojanCampaign - 03-22-2017 04:17 PM
What is the NCCAW do you mean the Uconn play box?
RE: big conferences dominate NCAAW - ken d - 03-22-2017 07:34 PM
(03-19-2017 09:04 AM)NoDak Wrote: Women's BB also has more scholarships, 15 vs 13. If it went to 13, a lot more good players would be forced down too. P5 vacuums them all up now.
Both of these things - more women's BB scholarships than men's and the dominance of the P5 conferences in women's sports - are direct results of Title IX.
Prior to 1982, the NCAA didn't even have a women's basketball championship. It wasn't until Title IX passed that the schools and conferences that now make up the P5 paid serious interest in the sport. So before that time, schools like Delta State, Immaculata, Louisiana Tech and Old Dominion were able to attract the best female players. Once the bigger schools were forced to give a lot more scholarships to balance the then 95 football scholarships, those players were naturally going to gravitate to NCAA conferences and the AIAW's days were numbered.
I'm not confident that there would be a noticeable difference if the number of women's BB scholarships were reduced. There just aren't that many women who are playing college ball for the chance (however unrealistic) that it might lead to a professional career.
RE: big conferences dominate NCAAW - MU88 - 03-23-2017 10:17 AM
(03-22-2017 07:34 PM)ken d Wrote:(03-19-2017 09:04 AM)NoDak Wrote: Women's BB also has more scholarships, 15 vs 13. If it went to 13, a lot more good players would be forced down too. P5 vacuums them all up now.
Both of these things - more women's BB scholarships than men's and the dominance of the P5 conferences in women's sports - are direct results of Title IX.
Prior to 1982, the NCAA didn't even have a women's basketball championship. It wasn't until Title IX passed that the schools and conferences that now make up the P5 paid serious interest in the sport. So before that time, schools like Delta State, Immaculata, Louisiana Tech and Old Dominion were able to attract the best female players. Once the bigger schools were forced to give a lot more scholarsehips to balance the then 95 football scholarships, those players were naturally going to gravitate to NCAA conferences and the AIAW's days were numbered.
I'm not confident that there would be a noticeable difference if the number of women's BB scholarships were reduced. There just aren't that many women who are playing college ball for the chance (however unrealistic) that it might lead to a professional career.
I don't think there is a single team in the SEC that uses all 15 scholarships. In fact, I don't think most schools use all 15.
I think the reason for the lack of competition is the lack of good players. The best players go to the name programs, leaving slim pickings for the other schools. While the quality of women's basketball has improved significantly over the past 20 years, the number of high level players has dropped significantly. The best female athletes don't play basketball anymore. Volleyball has take over women's athletics. Put it this way, it is not unusual for certain age groups in a AAU women's tournament in the midwest to be cancelled for a lack of teams. While, at the same time, the Great Lakes Power League in Aurora, Il will draw 100 14-under vball teams from 4 states to play in addition to numerous other tournaments being conducted at the same time for lower level clubs.
RE: big conferences dominate NCAAW - ken d - 03-23-2017 12:28 PM
(03-23-2017 10:17 AM)MU88 Wrote:(03-22-2017 07:34 PM)ken d Wrote:(03-19-2017 09:04 AM)NoDak Wrote: Women's BB also has more scholarships, 15 vs 13. If it went to 13, a lot more good players would be forced down too. P5 vacuums them all up now.
Both of these things - more women's BB scholarships than men's and the dominance of the P5 conferences in women's sports - are direct results of Title IX.
Prior to 1982, the NCAA didn't even have a women's basketball championship. It wasn't until Title IX passed that the schools and conferences that now make up the P5 paid serious interest in the sport. So before that time, schools like Delta State, Immaculata, Louisiana Tech and Old Dominion were able to attract the best female players. Once the bigger schools were forced to give a lot more scholarsehips to balance the then 95 football scholarships, those players were naturally going to gravitate to NCAA conferences and the AIAW's days were numbered.
I'm not confident that there would be a noticeable difference if the number of women's BB scholarships were reduced. There just aren't that many women who are playing college ball for the chance (however unrealistic) that it might lead to a professional career.
I don't think there is a single team in the SEC that uses all 15 scholarships. In fact, I don't think most schools use all 15.
I think the reason for the lack of competition is the lack of good players. The best players go to the name programs, leaving slim pickings for the other schools. While the quality of women's basketball has improved significantly over the past 20 years, the number of high level players has dropped significantly. The best female athletes don't play basketball anymore. Volleyball has take over women's athletics. Put it this way, it is not unusual for certain age groups in a AAU women's tournament in the midwest to be cancelled for a lack of teams. While, at the same time, the Great Lakes Power League in Aurora, Il will draw 100 14-under vball teams from 4 states to play in addition to numerous other tournaments being conducted at the same time for lower level clubs.
Is it possible some of those 15 scholarships are being given to women who also play volleyball? On one team's website I saw a roster of 20 women on the volleyball team, which only has 12 scholarships to give. The volleyball season ends shortly after the basketball season starts.