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Our basketball issues - KNIGHTTIME - 03-13-2017 09:28 AM
The NCAA clearly weighs 90% on named victories. Since as a league the bottom can be bad we have to add Wichita State and look at VCU and Dayton. The wins are limited because we currently don't have that level of strength. That would show more style wins for the committee. Once Memphis and UConn are back we can match the Big East.
RE: Our basketball issues - Meatwad - 03-13-2017 10:56 AM
(03-13-2017 09:28 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote: The NCAA clearly weighs 90% on named victories. Since as a league the bottom can be bad we have to add Wichita State and look at VCU and Dayton. The wins are limited because we currently don't have that level of strength. That would show more style wins for the committee. Once Memphis and UConn are back we can match the Big East.we don't even need to expand because relying on wichita state to keep up their recent standard puts us in the same position if they fall off a little. our problem is that our name brand programs, in particular 4 time RECENT national champion uconn aren't even coming close to carrying the banner for the conference. memphis also has a big name and is just so so right now. only cincy is doing their job. give uconn the same record and results as SMU this year and they aren't a 6 seed. reputation matters and our programs with the biggest rep are failing the league.
a conference with uconn, cincy, memphis and temple* as the top 4 is viewed differently than a top 4 of smu, cincy, houston and ucf. we need the elite to be elite so that when an SMU wins the league the rest of the country stops and take notice and says damn if they're winning that league they must be great because that's the league that has top 25 uconn, cincy and memphis in it.
*if not temple then just insert a historically and consistently relevant basketball program here.
RE: Our basketball issues - Chappy - 03-13-2017 12:48 PM
I've always wanted to add Wichita State to give us balance at 12 FB/12 BB schools, but I agree with Meatwad's post.
The best 'fix' is from within. Cincinnati, Connecticut, Memphis, Temple (and now SMU too) should be in or flirting with the Top 25 year in and year out, and then the up-and-comers in Houston, Tulsa, UCF (and I pray someday ECU) will be taken more seriously. Having UConn, Memphis and Temple all down at the same time is hopefully a rarity.
RE: Our basketball issues - chess - 03-13-2017 01:40 PM
East Carolina embraces a winning attitude. #CeilingIsTheRoof
RE: Our basketball issues - KNIGHTTIME - 03-13-2017 01:57 PM
(03-13-2017 12:48 PM)Chappy Wrote: I've always wanted to add Wichita State to give us balance at 12 FB/12 BB schools, but I agree with Meatwad's post.
The best 'fix' is from within. Cincinnati, Connecticut, Memphis, Temple (and now SMU too) should be in or flirting with the Top 25 year in and year out, and then the up-and-comers in Houston, Tulsa, UCF (and I pray someday ECU) will be taken more seriously. Having UConn, Memphis and Temple all down at the same time is hopefully a rarity.
Problem is teams can go in cycles. If you're banking on the top 4 to always be great that can be a challenge. If you add 3 more with a history of being good, now you're at 7 with a history of being good. So if 2 or 3 fail a given year, you're still a 4 bid league at worse. Then if one of the others like Houston, UCF, etc play well it is gravy. Taking the 3 additions have the potential of 5+ bids most years. We would be discussed with the top tier instead of with the A10.
RE: Our basketball issues - bearcatmark - 03-13-2017 02:07 PM
One problem is the bottom of the league dragging down the RPIs. Uconn and Memphis were both top 100 kenpom teams, but outside the top 100 in RPI... Top 100 wins are a factor on teamsheets and this makes a big difference. Houston is top 50 kenpom, but outside top 50 RPI... again that's 2 more victories for UC and SMU against top 50 competition.
The other issue is we need Temple/UConn/Memphis to be better. Those teams should be at least around the top 50 almost every year. If We can get USF/Tulane/ECU to be top 150 teams and get Temple/UConn/Memphis back to top 50 type teams all of a sudden there are a lot of opportunities for good wins and you lose the RPI killer games.
RE: Our basketball issues - Cubanbull - 03-13-2017 02:29 PM
Problem league had this year is that name programs like UConn, Memphis and Temple had bad years. We need those schools winning and with top 50 RPIs.
RE: Our basketball issues - CyberBull - 03-13-2017 03:56 PM
(03-13-2017 10:56 AM)Meatwad Wrote:(03-13-2017 09:28 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote: The NCAA clearly weighs 90% on named victories. Since as a league the bottom can be bad we have to add Wichita State and look at VCU and Dayton. The wins are limited because we currently don't have that level of strength. That would show more style wins for the committee. Once Memphis and UConn are back we can match the Big East.we don't even need to expand because relying on wichita state to keep up their recent standard puts us in the same position if they fall off a little. our problem is that our name brand programs, in particular 4 time RECENT national champion uconn aren't even coming close to carrying the banner for the conference. memphis also has a big name and is just so so right now. only cincy is doing their job. give uconn the same record and results as SMU this year and they aren't a 6 seed. reputation matters and our programs with the biggest rep are failing the league.
a conference with uconn, cincy, memphis and temple* as the top 4 is viewed differently than a top 4 of smu, cincy, houston and ucf. we need the elite to be elite so that when an SMU wins the league the rest of the country stops and take notice and says damn if they're winning that league they must be great because that's the league that has top 25 uconn, cincy and memphis in it.
*if not temple then just insert a historically and consistently relevant basketball program here.
Great post!
We need UCONN, Memphis and Temple to join UC as the bedrock of the program. This way when the other programs have great years like UCF, Houston and SMU it raises all boats. The old BigEast was a great example...
We really missed a great opportunity this year with the candy-ass soft bubble.
RE: Our basketball issues - CyberBull - 03-13-2017 04:01 PM
(03-13-2017 02:07 PM)bearcatmark Wrote: One problem is the bottom of the league dragging down the RPIs. Uconn and Memphis were both top 100 kenpom teams, but outside the top 100 in RPI... Top 100 wins are a factor on teamsheets and this makes a big difference. Houston is top 50 kenpom, but outside top 50 RPI... again that's 2 more victories for UC and SMU against top 50 competition.
The other issue is we need Temple/UConn/Memphis to be better. Those teams should be at least around the top 50 almost every year. If We can get USF/Tulane/ECU to be top 150 teams and get Temple/UConn/Memphis back to top 50 type teams all of a sudden there are a lot of opportunities for good wins and you lose the RPI killer games.
While I wish my alma mater didn't suck out loud the last two years....the problem with the top of the league under-performing that the bottom of the league holding them down. When UCONN, UC, Memphis and Temple are rolling they are typically easy at large bid decisions for the selection committee.
RE: Our basketball issues - quo vadis - 03-13-2017 04:52 PM
(03-13-2017 04:01 PM)CyberBull Wrote:(03-13-2017 02:07 PM)bearcatmark Wrote: One problem is the bottom of the league dragging down the RPIs. Uconn and Memphis were both top 100 kenpom teams, but outside the top 100 in RPI... Top 100 wins are a factor on teamsheets and this makes a big difference. Houston is top 50 kenpom, but outside top 50 RPI... again that's 2 more victories for UC and SMU against top 50 competition.
The other issue is we need Temple/UConn/Memphis to be better. Those teams should be at least around the top 50 almost every year. If We can get USF/Tulane/ECU to be top 150 teams and get Temple/UConn/Memphis back to top 50 type teams all of a sudden there are a lot of opportunities for good wins and you lose the RPI killer games.
While I wish my alma mater didn't suck out loud the last two years....the problem with the top of the league under-performing that the bottom of the league holding them down. When UCONN, UC, Memphis and Temple are rolling they are typically easy at large bid decisions for the selection committee.
It's not either/or, it's both. When our Bulls are lousy, that hurts the conference. And when expected powers like UConn and Memphis don't measure up, that hurts the conference as well.
But personally, I'm always more concerned about USF than the conference. I'd rather the AAC get one bid, as long as it is USF, than get 6 bids, and none of them are USF.
USF really needs to step up our basketball, it's embarrassing that our basketball is so bad these days. We have to stop using the "Florida is football country!" excuse. Not only do Florida and FSU have good hoops, Florida Gulf Coast does for crissakes, and UCF is much better than us. We are a shambles, no excuses.
RE: Our basketball issues - b0ndsj0ns - 03-13-2017 04:54 PM
UCONN, Memphis, and Temple just being what they traditionally are would solve most of our "basketball issues."
RE: Our basketball issues - DefCONNOne - 03-13-2017 04:55 PM
(03-13-2017 09:28 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote: The NCAA clearly weighs 90% on named victories. Since as a league the bottom can be bad we have to add Wichita State and look at VCU and Dayton. The wins are limited because we currently don't have that level of strength. That would show more style wins for the committee. Once Memphis and UConn are back we can match the Big East.
Not this sh*t again!! Aresco said we aren't inviting bball only schools. He even specifically pointed to the oBE as a model to not follow.
RE: Our basketball issues - quo vadis - 03-13-2017 05:01 PM
(03-13-2017 04:55 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:(03-13-2017 09:28 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote: The NCAA clearly weighs 90% on named victories. Since as a league the bottom can be bad we have to add Wichita State and look at VCU and Dayton. The wins are limited because we currently don't have that level of strength. That would show more style wins for the committee. Once Memphis and UConn are back we can match the Big East.
Not this sh*t again!! Aresco said we aren't inviting bball only schools. He even specifically pointed to the oBE as a model to not follow.
For once, Aresco is right. Those of us who lived through the OBE with the divided focus know it's a loser model.
Sure, if Kentucky or Duke wants to put their basketball only in the AAC, then yes we roll out the red carpet. But short of those impossibilities, the answer should be a firm "no" to anyone not committed to both football and hoops.
RE: Our basketball issues - TU4ever - 03-13-2017 05:04 PM
(03-13-2017 04:55 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:(03-13-2017 09:28 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote: The NCAA clearly weighs 90% on named victories. Since as a league the bottom can be bad we have to add Wichita State and look at VCU and Dayton. The wins are limited because we currently don't have that level of strength. That would show more style wins for the committee. Once Memphis and UConn are back we can match the Big East.
Not this sh*t again!! Aresco said we aren't inviting bball only schools. He even specifically pointed to the oBE as a model to not follow.
He did not say we werent inviting bball only members defconn, quit hearing what you want. He did specifically say the old big east model was not a good one to follow. That could be understood to be reassurance to fans that there will not be a bunch of bball only schools added. There is a huge difference in 8 vs 8, and 12 vs 1 (the most likely out come) or even 12 vs 3 (which is a big maybe)
RE: Our basketball issues - rosewater - 03-13-2017 05:09 PM
(03-13-2017 05:01 PM)quo vadis Wrote:(03-13-2017 04:55 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:(03-13-2017 09:28 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote: The NCAA clearly weighs 90% on named victories. Since as a league the bottom can be bad we have to add Wichita State and look at VCU and Dayton. The wins are limited because we currently don't have that level of strength. That would show more style wins for the committee. Once Memphis and UConn are back we can match the Big East.
Not this sh*t again!! Aresco said we aren't inviting bball only schools. He even specifically pointed to the oBE as a model to not follow.
For once, Aresco is right. Those of us who lived through the OBE with the divided focus know it's a loser model.
Sure, if Kentucky or Duke wants to put their basketball only in the AAC, then yes we roll out the red carpet. But short of those impossibilities, the answer should be a firm "no" to anyone not committed to both football and hoops.
Little difference than the old Big East. In the old Big East there was a 50/50 split in the voting between football and nonfootball members. The nonfootball members were able to hold out on any new additions like UCF because of this voting block. They did not want to see their profits cut and they did not want to associate with UCF. They could not see the importance of a strong football side instead they favored adding Georgetown or Villanova to the football equation. They clearly could not see the issue. Today, a basketball addition under the current dynamics will not provide enough voting power to offset the will of the football teams.
RE: Our basketball issues - DefCONNOne - 03-13-2017 05:34 PM
(03-13-2017 05:04 PM)TU4ever Wrote:(03-13-2017 04:55 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:(03-13-2017 09:28 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote: The NCAA clearly weighs 90% on named victories. Since as a league the bottom can be bad we have to add Wichita State and look at VCU and Dayton. The wins are limited because we currently don't have that level of strength. That would show more style wins for the committee. Once Memphis and UConn are back we can match the Big East.
Not this sh*t again!! Aresco said we aren't inviting bball only schools. He even specifically pointed to the oBE as a model to not follow.
He did not say we werent inviting bball only members defconn, quit hearing what you want. He did specifically say the old big east model was not a good one to follow. That could be understood to be reassurance to fans that there will not be a bunch of bball only schools added. There is a huge difference in 8 vs 8, and 12 vs 1 (the most likely out come) or even 12 vs 3 (which is a big maybe)
I heard, and read, what the Commissioner said. It is you who only hears what he wants, which is the addition of more mouths to feed from the meager pittance we're already paid. Don't even attempt to tell me that Wichita St, VCU, ODU, or Dayton bring any significant, or otherwise, $$$$ to this conference. That would fly in the face of every poster who told me "football drives the bus".
RE: Our basketball issues - Bearcats#1 - 03-13-2017 05:47 PM
how about UCONN fire your loser coach and hire a real coach...lets start with that
RE: Our basketball issues - Chappy - 03-13-2017 06:02 PM
If anyone reading this wants to know what the commissioner said...
“We would always look to improve our basketball, but we are not under any circumstances going back to the old Big East model of multiple basketball schools. Just not happening.”
...key word being 'multiple'.
Sounds like Wichita is very much a possibility, but Wichita, VCU and Dayton together ain't happening.
RE: Our basketball issues - Bearcats#1 - 03-13-2017 06:04 PM
key word is 'multiple'
the fact is we need a non fb school to off set Navy
Wichita St is that school.
RE: Our basketball issues - KNIGHTTIME - 03-13-2017 06:35 PM
How long ago was that quote? Things change quickly. Getting hoops better has no impact on football.