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RE: 2017 CUSA Baseball - DaSaintFan - 01-12-2017 11:00 AM

(01-06-2017 03:25 PM)MoodyBlueRaider Wrote:  
(12-30-2016 12:02 AM)BeagleUSM Wrote:  Some notable weekend OOC series

WVU at Charlotte (2/17-2/19)
Creighton at UAB (2/17-2/19)
Rice at Texas (2/17-2/19)
SELA at Rice (2/24/-2/26)
Utah at UTSA (3/03-3/06)
Pepperdine at Rice (3/03-3/05)
UAB at Georgia (3/03/3/05)
Stanford at Rice (3/09-3/12)
Southern Miss at ULL (3/10-3/12)
Charlotte at ECU (3/10-3/12)
UTSA at Texas Tech (3/10-3/12)

BeagleUSM: Pretty obvious you are either ignoring MTSU or just don't have a lot of respect for the program. So, ya got us ranked 8th in the Conference, nobody makes the All-CUSA Team and we have no notable OOC games, H'mmmm? Here is the MT OOC for ya:
1. Memphis (home/Away) Mar. 7 & 8
2. Indiana (Away) Mar. 10, 11, & 12
3. Tennessee (Home/Away) Mar. 14, April 4
4. Vanderbilt (Home/Away) April 18, May 16
5. Northwestern (Home) Feb 24

Memphis: 208 RPI last year
Indiana: 104
Tennessee: 89
Vandy: 16
Northwestern: 253

So I'll give you Vanderbilt (obviously) and Tennessee.
a Maybe on Indiana.
NW and Memphis: Ehh.. Although Memphis is a regional game, so you can't argue with them being on the schedule. But to prop up Northwestern as a "good" OOC game? Not so much.


RE: 2017 CUSA Baseball - eagle04 - 01-12-2017 11:15 AM

(01-06-2017 10:39 PM)BeagleUSM Wrote:  Did a little research on this, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Seems to me that getting rid of the 25% minimum will help SEC/Big12/PAC/ACC schools and to a lesser extent, schools in "tweener" leagues such as CUSA or AAC.

For example, you might have a situation where someone like a Presbyterian or USC Upstate offers a player 30-35% vs walking on at Clemson or South Carolina. So now CU/USC can offer 10-15% which could maybe sway a guy.

On a somewhat smaller scale, you could have Central Arkansas or Jacksonville State offering 40% to a guy vs Tulane or USM offering nothing. With this rule change, Tulane/USM could offer 15-20% and maybe steal a guy that would rather play CUSA/AAC ball over Southland/OVC for a little less money.

I found this interesting. If I understand this correctly, Stanford has a system in place where if a family's annual household income is less than $125K (used to be $100k) then the student has no financial obligation to tuition. So now, if they have baseball players who qualify for free tuition, they have more of the 11.7 to disperse amongst other (probably more highly recruited) athletes.

Stanford Baseball


RE: 2017 CUSA Baseball - cr11owl - 01-12-2017 04:55 PM

(01-12-2017 11:15 AM)eagle04 Wrote:  
(01-06-2017 10:39 PM)BeagleUSM Wrote:  Did a little research on this, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Seems to me that getting rid of the 25% minimum will help SEC/Big12/PAC/ACC schools and to a lesser extent, schools in "tweener" leagues such as CUSA or AAC.

For example, you might have a situation where someone like a Presbyterian or USC Upstate offers a player 30-35% vs walking on at Clemson or South Carolina. So now CU/USC can offer 10-15% which could maybe sway a guy.

On a somewhat smaller scale, you could have Central Arkansas or Jacksonville State offering 40% to a guy vs Tulane or USM offering nothing. With this rule change, Tulane/USM could offer 15-20% and maybe steal a guy that would rather play CUSA/AAC ball over Southland/OVC for a little less money.

I found this interesting. If I understand this correctly, Stanford has a system in place where if a family's annual household income is less than $125K (used to be $100k) then the student has no financial obligation to tuition. So now, if they have baseball players who qualify for free tuition, they have more of the 11.7 to disperse amongst other (probably more highly recruited) athletes.

Stanford Baseball

And any player from Louisiana that could get into Rice has a full ride to LSU because of TOPS. (Look at TCU as another example). In the case of Stanford (125k), Rice (80k), and any other high end academic school they set these thresholds to attract students who would never be able to pay the tuition. They basically guarantee the students don't have to take out loans but they're still obligated to do work study programs at the university. Their tuition is paid through grants/merit aid/work study and the university gets to advertise themselves as "need blind" for admissions. https://financialaid.rice.edu/Content.aspx?id=38

Also remember for the kids not on scholarship that Rice and Stanford cost 55-65k each year while a state school is a fraction of that.


RE: 2017 CUSA Baseball - techdawg28 - 01-12-2017 06:27 PM

(01-12-2017 04:55 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  
(01-12-2017 11:15 AM)eagle04 Wrote:  
(01-06-2017 10:39 PM)BeagleUSM Wrote:  Did a little research on this, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Seems to me that getting rid of the 25% minimum will help SEC/Big12/PAC/ACC schools and to a lesser extent, schools in "tweener" leagues such as CUSA or AAC.

For example, you might have a situation where someone like a Presbyterian or USC Upstate offers a player 30-35% vs walking on at Clemson or South Carolina. So now CU/USC can offer 10-15% which could maybe sway a guy.

On a somewhat smaller scale, you could have Central Arkansas or Jacksonville State offering 40% to a guy vs Tulane or USM offering nothing. With this rule change, Tulane/USM could offer 15-20% and maybe steal a guy that would rather play CUSA/AAC ball over Southland/OVC for a little less money.

I found this interesting. If I understand this correctly, Stanford has a system in place where if a family's annual household income is less than $125K (used to be $100k) then the student has no financial obligation to tuition. So now, if they have baseball players who qualify for free tuition, they have more of the 11.7 to disperse amongst other (probably more highly recruited) athletes.

Stanford Baseball

And any player from Louisiana that could get into Rice has a full ride to LSU because of TOPS. (Look at TCU as another example). In the case of Stanford (125k), Rice (80k), and any other high end academic school they set these thresholds to attract students who would never be able to pay the tuition. They basically guarantee the students don't have to take out loans but they're still obligated to do work study programs at the university. Their tuition is paid through grants/merit aid/work study and the university gets to advertise themselves as "need blind" for admissions. https://financialaid.rice.edu/Content.aspx?id=38

Also remember for the kids not on scholarship that Rice and Stanford cost 55-65k each year while a state school is a fraction of that.

TOPS is by no means a full ride. You can have TOPS plus another major scholarship and still owe money. Plus, TOPS has been cut drastically and it's not looking good for its future.


RE: 2017 CUSA Baseball - isidnirb - 01-12-2017 06:45 PM

Shame no ECU vs Rice this year. Mad respect for the Rice baseball program.


RE: 2017 CUSA Baseball - cr11owl - 01-12-2017 06:48 PM

(01-12-2017 06:27 PM)techdawg28 Wrote:  
(01-12-2017 04:55 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  
(01-12-2017 11:15 AM)eagle04 Wrote:  
(01-06-2017 10:39 PM)BeagleUSM Wrote:  Did a little research on this, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Seems to me that getting rid of the 25% minimum will help SEC/Big12/PAC/ACC schools and to a lesser extent, schools in "tweener" leagues such as CUSA or AAC.

For example, you might have a situation where someone like a Presbyterian or USC Upstate offers a player 30-35% vs walking on at Clemson or South Carolina. So now CU/USC can offer 10-15% which could maybe sway a guy.

On a somewhat smaller scale, you could have Central Arkansas or Jacksonville State offering 40% to a guy vs Tulane or USM offering nothing. With this rule change, Tulane/USM could offer 15-20% and maybe steal a guy that would rather play CUSA/AAC ball over Southland/OVC for a little less money.

I found this interesting. If I understand this correctly, Stanford has a system in place where if a family's annual household income is less than $125K (used to be $100k) then the student has no financial obligation to tuition. So now, if they have baseball players who qualify for free tuition, they have more of the 11.7 to disperse amongst other (probably more highly recruited) athletes.

Stanford Baseball

And any player from Louisiana that could get into Rice has a full ride to LSU because of TOPS. (Look at TCU as another example). In the case of Stanford (125k), Rice (80k), and any other high end academic school they set these thresholds to attract students who would never be able to pay the tuition. They basically guarantee the students don't have to take out loans but they're still obligated to do work study programs at the university. Their tuition is paid through grants/merit aid/work study and the university gets to advertise themselves as "need blind" for admissions. https://financialaid.rice.edu/Content.aspx?id=38

Also remember for the kids not on scholarship that Rice and Stanford cost 55-65k each year while a state school is a fraction of that.

TOPS is by no means a full ride. You can have TOPS plus another major scholarship and still owe money. Plus, TOPS has been cut drastically and it's not looking good for its future.

Ok... Georgia give full rides. It looks like TOPS was ~$7100 for LSU and tuition is around $10,000. Practically a full ride for tuition when you compare it to a private school.


RE: 2017 CUSA Baseball - eagle04 - 01-13-2017 09:31 AM

(01-12-2017 06:45 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  Shame no ECU vs Rice this year. Mad respect for the Rice baseball program.

How are you guys liking Godwin? He was well liked around here (even though he was an OM coach). He actually recruiting a kid I coached that ended up in Oxford. He was always a nice guy to be around.


RE: 2017 CUSA Baseball - chiefsfan - 01-13-2017 12:04 PM

(01-04-2017 08:47 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(01-04-2017 07:01 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  what part of Tech's OOC schedule is a joke?

http://www.latechsports.com/sports/m-basebl/sched/latc-m-basebl-sched.html

I'll give you UAPB

UT-Arlington is not very good (usually finish with an RPI in the 150 - 200 range) and Witchita State hasn't had a Top 100 team in years (last year finishing with a #183 RPI). Arkansas State is your best OOC weekend series and they finished last year (one of their best ever) with a #115 RPI.

So, yes, your OOC weekend slate is a joke, especially given the multiple quality programs you have in the region.

Say What?

Last year was one of the worst years we've had in the last 7 years. 8th place in the Sun Belt, several games under .500 and a pitching staff with an ERA over 5.

We finished 3rd in the conference in 2014, and 2nd in the conference in 2012.

We finish with a high RPI because we have to play on the road a ton in OOC play and schedule more ambitiously than most of the Sun Belt, which can stay home every weekend and play because they have more conducive weather in February and March to baseball.


RE: 2017 CUSA Baseball - waltgreenberg - 01-15-2017 09:10 PM

FAU #33 in CollegeSportsMadness.com's countdown (ahead of Stanford, Texas, Tulane, Arizona State and others)...

http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/baseball/top-44-previews

...I suspect Rice will come in at somewhere between #17 - #22.


RE: 2017 CUSA Baseball - BeagleUSM - 01-17-2017 03:59 PM

Tim Doherty on 2017 USM baseball.

http://www.wdam.com/story/34271907/usm-looking-forward-to-baseball-season


RE: 2017 CUSA Baseball - Goherd73 - 01-17-2017 04:33 PM

Marshall's notable OCC...
At Georgia Tech 2/18
at Tenn 3/22
Virginia Tech home/away 4/5, 2/21
WVU home/away 4/18, 4/4


RE: 2017 CUSA Baseball - Cyniclone - 01-17-2017 06:56 PM

ODU's OOC is largely uneventful. Virginia on the road, West Virginia for three at home, Virginia Tech at the Triple-A park in town. State and regional teams fill out the schedule.


RE: 2017 CUSA Baseball - waltgreenberg - 01-18-2017 09:25 AM

(01-15-2017 09:10 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  FAU #33 in CollegeSportsMadness.com's countdown (ahead of Stanford, Texas, Tulane, Arizona State and others)...

http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/baseball/top-44-previews

...I suspect Rice will come in at somewhere between #17 - #22.

FIU #31 in the collegesportsmadness countdown...

http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/baseball/top-44-previews


RE: 2017 CUSA Baseball - BeagleUSM - 01-18-2017 10:37 AM

Rice #23.

https://d1baseball.com/news/2017-d1baseball-preseason-top-25/?utm_content=bufferb32ee&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer


RE: 2017 CUSA Baseball - waltgreenberg - 01-18-2017 10:47 AM

(01-18-2017 10:37 AM)BeagleUSM Wrote:  Rice #23.

https://d1baseball.com/news/2017-d1baseball-preseason-top-25/?utm_content=bufferb32ee&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

While most of the pundits agree Rice should have it's most potent offense since our mid-00 glory days, I think they're grossly underestimating the depth and quality of our pitching staff (simply because we lost Fox and Duplantier). BTW, for those who missed it, we just added former Baylor 1B/OF slugger, Darynn Sheppard (who hit .294, 8 HRs, 40 RBIs in Big 12 last year). He graduated in 3 years, and just matriculated as a grad student at Rice. As good as he is, his only spot in the Rice lineup may be as our right-hand hitting DH. Dane Myers will be at 1B when not our Friday night starter, and Coach Graham loves Dayne Wunderlich's defense and speed in LF (to compliment Chandler in CF and Warren in LF).


RE: 2017 CUSA Baseball - ATTALLABLAZE - 01-18-2017 11:47 AM

I'll predict UAB finishes much higher.... All I'm sayin.


RE: 2017 CUSA Baseball - KAjunRaider - 01-18-2017 02:25 PM

Nowhere to go but up, after last year's embarrassment

Time for us to make the tourney again. It's been too long (and should be easier to do so, in such a great baseball conference)


RE: 2017 CUSA Baseball - FIU4Ever - 01-18-2017 05:28 PM

I'm really excited to see what Coach Melendez brings to this squad. He recruiting has been off the charts, but this year it will be about what he can do with Coach Turtle's guys.


RE: 2017 CUSA Baseball - BeagleUSM - 01-21-2017 03:58 PM

Not 2017, but it was announced yesterday that Mississippi State is coming to Hattiesburg to open up 2018. We go there in 2019.

Next year we'll have State and ULL (assuming they return our trip) on the weekend + our usual midweek slate of Ole Miss, State, Tulane, USA, SELA, Alabama, etc. It'll be one of the toughest OOC schedules in D1 and when you throw in that Rice will come to Hattiesburg in 2018, it'll be the best USM home schedule that I can remember.


RE: 2017 CUSA Baseball - waltgreenberg - 01-21-2017 08:59 PM

(01-21-2017 03:58 PM)BeagleUSM Wrote:  Not 2017, but it was announced yesterday that Mississippi State is coming to Hattiesburg to open up 2018. We go there in 2019.

Next year we'll have State and ULL (assuming they return our trip) on the weekend + our usual midweek slate of Ole Miss, State, Tulane, USA, SELA, Alabama, etc. It'll be one of the toughest OOC schedules in D1 and when you throw in that Rice will come to Hattiesburg in 2018, it'll be the best USM home schedule that I can remember.

Good for you guys. Not sure why it's taken your coaching staff and AD so long to figure out how to play the RPI game. We've had years where we've been barely .500 during the first four weeks of the season (with all OOC games), but played enough games against Top 25 - 40 opponents that we still maintained a healthy RPI heading into conference play.