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Four teams w/ OOC SOS RPI's of 300 or more - anything Aresco can do? - TIGERCITY - 03-05-2015 10:31 AM
Not only hurts the RPIs of other teams in the conference but the perception of the conference as a whole. Other conferences have scheduling requirements for it's members. Is there anything in the works for this conference and scheduling?
OOC SOS:
ECU 300
UCF 319
Tulane 326
Houston 330
RE: Four teams w/ OOC SOS RPI's of 300 or more - anything Aresco can do? - blunderbuss - 03-05-2015 10:35 AM
Hopefully a scheduling rule is implemented.
RE: Four teams w/ OOC SOS RPI's of 300 or more - anything Aresco can do? - Insane_Baboon - 03-05-2015 10:42 AM
I haven't heard anything about this being in the works.
RE: Four teams w/ OOC SOS RPI's of 300 or more - anything Aresco can do? - BearcatMan - 03-05-2015 11:52 AM
Unfortunately it's a double edged sword. Either you play teams who have 12 wins against terrible competition or teams with 4 wins against good competition.
RE: Four teams w/ OOC SOS RPI's of 300 or more - anything Aresco can do? - BigEastHomer - 03-05-2015 12:09 PM
(03-05-2015 11:52 AM)BearcatMan Wrote: Unfortunately it's a double edged sword. Either you play teams who have 12 wins against terrible competition or teams with 4 wins against good competition.
You also have to look at the circumstances of the individual program. Sampson just took over at Houston, and lost two HUGE contributors (House and Thomas) before even getting to practice. I'm sure that scheduling will be more streamlined next year.
Bear in mind, we have schools that are just playing their first season in the AAC. We have schools breaking in new coaches. And we have a school just getting off scholarship sanctions, in year 2 of the AAC.
It's all a work in progress. They know what they have to do. They wouldn't have fired coaches otherwise. I'm more concerned with what's going on at the top of the conference right now than at the bottom. Very pleased with the programs that have been stepping up this year. The example is set.
RE: Four teams w/ OOC SOS RPI's of 300 or more - anything Aresco can do? - msm96wolf - 03-05-2015 01:24 PM
One suggestion, getting rid of Non Div 1a games. The problem is getting good teams to play at a certain places. The lower half probably can get all the tough away games but very few Major Conferences will be willing to play at some sites. That may change, but Cinci, UCONN, Temple, SMU, Memphis and maybe Houston can possibly get teams to do H/H. USF, UCF, ECU, Tulane and Tulsa will have hard times to get "Power Conferences" to play at their places.
RE: Four teams w/ OOC SOS RPI's of 300 or more - anything Aresco can do? - GO Coogs GO!!! - 03-05-2015 01:32 PM
The slate and recruiting were set before Sampson took the job, and as was mentioned earlier our top players bailed on the program. You can blame Dickey for the joke RPI we have had for years. As for the talent given a full year on the job I am excited to see our classes this year and in the future.
Starting with next year (Sampson's first dealing with the schedule) I would expect that RPI number to have a steady climb back to respectability.
RE: Four teams w/ OOC SOS RPI's of 300 or more - anything Aresco can do? - Weatherdemon - 03-05-2015 01:32 PM
Losing to good teams in OOC is better than winning against crappy teams.
It improves your SOS and a loss to a top 50 team is often better for the RPI than a win against a 200+ team.
No reason anyone in this league should have OOC SOS's that poor.
RE: Four teams w/ OOC SOS RPI's of 300 or more - anything Aresco can do? - GO Coogs GO!!! - 03-05-2015 01:35 PM
(03-05-2015 01:32 PM)Weatherdemon Wrote: Losing to good teams in OOC is better than winning against crappy teams.
It improves your SOS and a loss to a top 50 team is often better for the RPI than a win against a 200+ team.
No reason anyone in this league should have OOC SOS's that poor.
Well when you had a coach that was content to just pad his W/L with chumps you get what we have now.
What makes matters worse is he often lost to those same chumps....
Reason 1 and 2 among 1,000 that he is gone!
RE: Four teams w/ OOC SOS RPI's of 300 or more - anything Aresco can do? - Attackcoog - 03-05-2015 01:36 PM
(03-05-2015 01:32 PM)Weatherdemon Wrote: Losing to good teams in OOC is better than winning against crappy teams.
It improves your SOS and a loss to a top 50 team is often better for the RPI than a win against a 200+ team.
No reason anyone in this league should have OOC SOS's that poor.
This is a key to many coaches/AD's fail to consider. You can win a game and lower your RPI. We need to end scheduling the kind of games where even if you win---you lose.
RE: Four teams w/ OOC SOS RPI's of 300 or more - anything Aresco can do? - billybobby777 - 03-05-2015 01:45 PM
(03-05-2015 10:31 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote: Not only hurts the RPIs of other teams in the conference but the perception of the conference as a whole. Other conferences have scheduling requirements for it's members. Is there anything in the works for this conference and scheduling?
OOC SOS:
ECU 300
UCF 319
Tulane 326
Houston 330
the main "problem" is ECU is a better team now in conference play than they were before. I LL take the wins in conference vs losing any day for the "good of the conference" I'm selfish, school before conference
RE: Four teams w/ OOC SOS RPI's of 300 or more - anything Aresco can do? - msm96wolf - 03-05-2015 01:59 PM
(03-05-2015 01:36 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:(03-05-2015 01:32 PM)Weatherdemon Wrote: Losing to good teams in OOC is better than winning against crappy teams.
It improves your SOS and a loss to a top 50 team is often better for the RPI than a win against a 200+ team.
No reason anyone in this league should have OOC SOS's that poor.
This is a key to many coaches/AD's fail to consider. You can win a game and lower your RPI. We need to end scheduling the kind of games where even if you win---you lose.
Here is a problem, you need to win to get some credit for SOS and RPI (Used ESPN RPI). I have a feeling if these teams played a top 100 schedule, the W-L would be similar to USF. A top 50 might be really ugly.
9-21 USF RPI 262 played A: NCSU, UAB, Bama, H: FSU SOS: 94
12-17 UCF RPI 240 played A: FSU SOS: 162
11-18 Houston RPI 250 H:TT SOS: 151
13-15 ECU play RPI 223 A: UNC SOS: 135
14-15 Tulane RPI 200 A:Wake & Wash H: Miss St. SOS 138
RE: Four teams w/ OOC SOS RPI's of 300 or more - anything Aresco can do? - shere khan - 03-05-2015 02:37 PM
(03-05-2015 10:31 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote: Not only hurts the RPIs of other teams in the conference but the perception of the conference as a whole. Other conferences have scheduling requirements for it's members. Is there anything in the works for this conference and scheduling?
OOC SOS:
ECU 300
UCF 319
Tulane 326
Houston 330
Focus on football.
RE: Four teams w/ OOC SOS RPI's of 300 or more - anything Aresco can do? - robertfoshizzle - 03-05-2015 02:45 PM
The key is finding better "buy" games. If half of your schedule is against teams from the SWAC, MEAC, Southland, etc. -- you're in trouble. Leagues like the MAC, C-USA, Horizon, etc. are better to schedule if you can swing it. Also, some of the P5 schools may snub us on home-and-home agreements, but there are lots of good programs in the Atlantic 10, Mountain West, MVC, WCC, and elsewhere who may be more agreeable to do business with.
Once most of the basketball powers left the conference, Mick Cronin mentioned the need to up our non-conference scheduling. We have had success finding games with good programs outside the P5 such as VCU, San Diego State, and New Mexico. Just as importantly, a concerted effort was made to trade a few of our "low-major" games for "mid-major" opponents. Swapping a couple of sub-250 RPI teams for teams in the 100's makes a huge difference in SOS.
RE: Four teams w/ OOC SOS RPI's of 300 or more - anything Aresco can do? - robertfoshizzle - 03-05-2015 02:49 PM
Also, you need to have 5-6 teams on your schedule who have a legitimate shot at making the tournament. If you only schedule 2-3 quality opponents and one or two of them have bad years, your SOS is shot.
RE: Four teams w/ OOC SOS RPI's of 300 or more - anything Aresco can do? - blunderbuss - 03-05-2015 02:54 PM
The simple fact for ECU is that until we improve drastically we're going to have to road whore a couple more ACC games per year.
RE: Four teams w/ OOC SOS RPI's of 300 or more - anything Aresco can do? - Pony94 - 03-05-2015 02:56 PM
(03-05-2015 02:54 PM)blunderbuss Wrote: The simple fact for ECU is that until we improve drastically we're going to have to road whore a couple more ACC games per year.
We played @Gonzaga, @Indiana and @ Michigan.
RE: Four teams w/ OOC SOS RPI's of 300 or more - anything Aresco can do? - robertfoshizzle - 03-05-2015 03:03 PM
(03-05-2015 02:54 PM)blunderbuss Wrote: The simple fact for ECU is that until we improve drastically we're going to have to road whore a couple more ACC games per year.
I don't think you necessarily HAVE to do that. The difference between basketball and football is that there are nearly 3 times as many schools and instead of there being 5-6 quality conferences, there are at least 10 to choose from. Do you guys have any history with Davidson? They would be a solid option to get a series going with. Then you've got your Charlottes, George Washingtons, and LaSalles of the world. Not the sexiest options, but I think you guys can find some better games.
RE: Four teams w/ OOC SOS RPI's of 300 or more - anything Aresco can do? - CougarRed - 03-05-2015 03:04 PM
50% of your RPI is your opponents' record. 25% is your record. 25% is your opponents' opponents' record.
So to a school like Memphis, etc., Houston's OOC schedule is half as important as Houston's OOC record.
If the bottom of the conference schedules easy and it results in a bunch of wins, on balance this is a good thing.
Houston scheduled easy because the coach knew it was going to be tough sledding.
RE: Four teams w/ OOC SOS RPI's of 300 or more - anything Aresco can do? - k-vegasbuc - 03-05-2015 03:04 PM
(03-05-2015 02:54 PM)blunderbuss Wrote: The simple fact for ECU is that until we improve drastically we're going to have to road whore a couple more ACC games per year.
I would actually like to see us do that. I think we would bring good crowds if we played games at State, UNC, Duke or Wake since we have alumni that live in all those areas.