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RE: Reports out of missouri saying JMU and MSU recieved invite - MSUBear42 - 04-12-2014 08:06 PM

(04-12-2014 07:05 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(04-12-2014 03:57 PM)msu_bears Wrote:  
(04-12-2014 03:02 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(04-12-2014 01:22 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  
(04-12-2014 12:48 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  If nothing else, it confirms the conference won't stand pat. Either JMU accepts an invitation, or there will be an invitation to a fallback school. None of the fallback choices is ideal so the least objectionable will get the offer.

Missouri State makes the most sense and has the largest potential. If they weren't buried in the SW corner of Missouri (travel-wise), then I'd love to see them in the MAC. In my eyes, MO State is pretty comparable to JMU. MO State has better basketball, JMU has better football - both have room to grow and plenty of potential. JMU holds a slight edge, but Mo State would be fully committed in for the long haul where JMU will always be looking for the mythical eastern conference.

You need to check your vision. It is not even close:

1. JMU has a $34 million athletic budget. Missouri State is at $14 million.
2. Missouri State has not been to the FCS playoffs since 1990. JMU has been there 9 times in that period, winning the national championship in 2004.
3. JMU had an average football attendance of 21,011 per game last season. Missouri State averaged 8,700.
4. JMU has an FBS ready football facility that seats 25,000. Missouri State has an older facility that seats 16,600 and is not FBS ready.
5. JMU is ranked in Forbes Best Colleges at #168. Missouri State is ranked at #526. That is important to the Presidents.

I could add that the population growth and the FBS talent favors the state of Virginia and JMU. If you are in an olympic sports league, then maybe Missouri State is the better option. If your in an FBS league, Missouri State is not close to being ready. They are a mediocre FCS program that lacks the money to move up. That is not the kind of program the SBC needs.

athletic budgets aren't a straight comparison as they are calculated differently.

older facility? its under construction.

you are adding us for our basketball, not for our football and our program is miles ahead of any hoops program in the SBC. Our arena destroys yours, our history destroys yours, and our attendance destroys yours(we just had what we considered a bad year for attendance and its still triple your schools.
keep hating.

Your basketball program is 47-51 over the past three seasons. How is that "miles ahead of any hoops program in the SBC"? You have an inflated opinion of your basketball program based on playing in the MVC. You lose to a bad Loyola team on the road by 32 and beat a bad Liberty team by 2 at home and I am supposed to believe you guys would be the best hoops program in the SBC?

Okay, and the last 3 years are the worst in our history (Literally). So, you'd rather NOT accept a top 20-winningest program in the HISTORY of college basketball just because the last 3 years have sucked??


Yeah, I guess you're right, this stadium really doesn't belong side by side with yours.

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RE: Reports out of missouri saying JMU and MSU recieved invite - Liberty Fan - 04-12-2014 08:09 PM

Interesting Info?

"According to the State of Virginia 2012: 
16% of JMU's tuition and fees were allocated to athletics.
Athletics generated less than 26% of the actual revenue needed to cover expenses.

JMU has an endowment on the low side for a university of it's size and geographic location; 66.978 million.

Most of JMU's older alumni are women, who historically are not big athletic donors.

JMU is located in an extremely small population area, which probably precludes a large quantity of corporate donations. 

JMU's location is also problematic when it comes to event attendance from locals who otherwise have no connection to the university."

JMU has lost over 8% per year in football attendance since 2011.

While none of the above issues are unique to JMU nor insurmountable, I believe that the "bean counters", and faculty and staff are very concerned about the efficacy of FBS as it relates to money. 

A possible example of JMU's financial anxiety: 
The proposed new JMU convo, which was approved for bonds by the Virginia legislature in 2011. This has not been acted upon, and is rapidly approaching a time when the $88 million is no longer an accurate number, which could cause the legislative process to have to be revisited. 
Indeed, it has been reported that JMU is now looking for private donations for the convo instead.


RE: Reports out of missouri saying JMU and MSU recieved invite - TheRevSWT - 04-12-2014 08:21 PM

(04-12-2014 08:06 PM)MSUBear42 Wrote:  Yeah, I guess you're right, this stadium really doesn't belong side by side with yours.

Please point to any post where a Bobcat has even TRIED to compare your basketball program to ours.

You want to argue that your basketball isn't as bad as he believes? Go for it. I agree with you.

But making up an argument that was never brought up is just foolish.


RE: Reports out of missouri saying JMU and MSU recieved invite - MSUBear42 - 04-12-2014 08:26 PM

(04-12-2014 08:21 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  Please point to any post where a Bobcat has even TRIED to compare your basketball program to ours.

You want to argue that your basketball isn't as bad as he believes? Go for it. I agree with you.

But making up an argument that was never brought up is just foolish.

Quote:How is that "miles ahead of any hoops program in the SBC"? You have an inflated opinion of your basketball program based on playing in the MVC.

Isn't an argument??


RE: Reports out of missouri saying JMU and MSU recieved invite - AppfanInCAAland - 04-12-2014 08:38 PM

(04-12-2014 08:09 PM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  Interesting Info?

"According to the State of Virginia 2012: 
16% of JMU's tuition and fees were allocated to athletics.
Athletics generated less than 26% of the actual revenue needed to cover expenses.

JMU has an endowment on the low side for a university of it's size and geographic location; 66.978 million.

Most of JMU's older alumni are women, who historically are not big athletic donors.

JMU is located in an extremely small population area, which probably precludes a large quantity of corporate donations. 

JMU's location is also problematic when it comes to event attendance from locals who otherwise have no connection to the university."

JMU has lost over 8% per year in football attendance since 2011.

While none of the above issues are unique to JMU nor insurmountable, I believe that the "bean counters", and faculty and staff are very concerned about the efficacy of FBS as it relates to money. 

A possible example of JMU's financial anxiety: 
The proposed new JMU convo, which was approved for bonds by the Virginia legislature in 2011. This has not been acted upon, and is rapidly approaching a time when the $88 million is no longer an accurate number, which could cause the legislative process to have to be revisited. 
Indeed, it has been reported that JMU is now looking for private donations for the convo instead.

So a school that was at one time called the Shenandoah State Normal School for Women has a problem finding older/wealthier athletic boosters. I thought retired school marms spent a lot of money on football teams.


RE: Reports out of missouri saying JMU and MSU recieved invite - TheRevSWT - 04-12-2014 08:41 PM

(04-12-2014 08:21 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  Please point to any post where a Bobcat has even TRIED to compare your basketball program to ours.

I shall ask again: Please point out any post where he tried to compare your basketball program to ours.

The statement you posted compared your basketball to the conference's basketball. Hardly a comparison to bobcat basketball.


Re: RE: Reports out of missouri saying JMU and MSU recieved invite - MSUBear42 - 04-12-2014 09:01 PM

(04-12-2014 08:41 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  
(04-12-2014 08:21 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  Please point to any post where a Bobcat has even TRIED to compare your basketball program to ours.

I shall ask again: Please point out any post where he tried to compare your basketball program to ours.

The statement you posted compared your basketball to the conference's basketball. Hardly a comparison to bobcat basketball.

You guys are part of the sub belt, are you not?

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RE: Reports out of missouri saying JMU and MSU recieved invite - TOPSTRAIGHT - 04-12-2014 09:19 PM

Some serious stupidity/lack of comm. going on here in the last hour.Drinking?


RE: Reports out of missouri saying JMU and MSU recieved invite - SHWISH - 04-12-2014 09:26 PM

(04-12-2014 08:06 PM)MSUBear42 Wrote:  
(04-12-2014 07:05 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(04-12-2014 03:57 PM)msu_bears Wrote:  
(04-12-2014 03:02 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(04-12-2014 01:22 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  Missouri State makes the most sense and has the largest potential. If they weren't buried in the SW corner of Missouri (travel-wise), then I'd love to see them in the MAC. In my eyes, MO State is pretty comparable to JMU. MO State has better basketball, JMU has better football - both have room to grow and plenty of potential. JMU holds a slight edge, but Mo State would be fully committed in for the long haul where JMU will always be looking for the mythical eastern conference.

You need to check your vision. It is not even close:

1. JMU has a $34 million athletic budget. Missouri State is at $14 million.
2. Missouri State has not been to the FCS playoffs since 1990. JMU has been there 9 times in that period, winning the national championship in 2004.
3. JMU had an average football attendance of 21,011 per game last season. Missouri State averaged 8,700.
4. JMU has an FBS ready football facility that seats 25,000. Missouri State has an older facility that seats 16,600 and is not FBS ready.
5. JMU is ranked in Forbes Best Colleges at #168. Missouri State is ranked at #526. That is important to the Presidents.

I could add that the population growth and the FBS talent favors the state of Virginia and JMU. If you are in an olympic sports league, then maybe Missouri State is the better option. If your in an FBS league, Missouri State is not close to being ready. They are a mediocre FCS program that lacks the money to move up. That is not the kind of program the SBC needs.

athletic budgets aren't a straight comparison as they are calculated differently.

older facility? its under construction.

you are adding us for our basketball, not for our football and our program is miles ahead of any hoops program in the SBC. Our arena destroys yours, our history destroys yours, and our attendance destroys yours(we just had what we considered a bad year for attendance and its still triple your schools.
keep hating.

Your basketball program is 47-51 over the past three seasons. How is that "miles ahead of any hoops program in the SBC"? You have an inflated opinion of your basketball program based on playing in the MVC. You lose to a bad Loyola team on the road by 32 and beat a bad Liberty team by 2 at home and I am supposed to believe you guys would be the best hoops program in the SBC?

Okay, and the last 3 years are the worst in our history (Literally). So, you'd rather NOT accept a top 20-winningest program in the HISTORY of college basketball just because the last 3 years have sucked??


Yeah, I guess you're right, this stadium really doesn't belong side by side with yours.

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yeah...


RE: Reports out of missouri saying JMU and MSU recieved invite - ark30inf - 04-12-2014 10:17 PM

This thread is a hoot. TXST using JMU to diss MoSt and Liberty jumping in to diss JMU with Lamar joining in at the end.

Just so y'all know, we are the Sun Belt. Everyone who joins, or is a member or has been a member, has disadvantages of one sort or another. You diss JMU's small endowment but it won't be the smallest in the Belt if they join. You diss MoSt's small stadium but WKU has a pretty small stadium and its not killing them. You diss MoSt attendance but they'll do a damn sight better than FIU was doing there for a while. Probably the program with the most disadvantages is ULM and yet they beat a ranked Arkansas, beat Alabama, beat Wake Forest, and gave Auburn all they wanted. Seriously, we heard about Georgia Southern's budget all last year and how they weren't ready but they beat $&*#&@*$*# Florida.

We're going to invite someone. Whoever it is will ultimately do fine despite a host of disadvantages.