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RE: Reports out of missouri saying JMU and MSU recieved invite - Eagleditka - 04-12-2014 12:13 PM

(04-11-2014 10:53 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(04-11-2014 10:39 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  Benson is here for our Spring game tomorrow and I am told he will be interviewed by our radio guys sometime tomorrow during the Spring game. I am sure he will be questioned about Sun Belt expansion. Maybe he will say something other than the company line that we need a 12th football playing school from the eastern part of the conference.

I bet he mentions Liberty at least once.

No mention of Liberty. But he said we will have a 12th team in 2015. Whatever that means.


RE: Reports out of missouri saying JMU and MSU recieved invite - arkstfan - 04-12-2014 12:28 PM

(04-12-2014 09:13 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  
(04-12-2014 08:53 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Through this whole process the MAC guys seem to think the SBC is desperate, when actually it is only Benson that is. Most fans are content with holding at 11.

If anything this last week has produced a positive for the SBC general public, we have learned that Idaho is a short term member and will allow for FCS programs like Mo. St. to improve over the next two years. I'd say our hand has improved from a fan's perspective with that news.

I wouldn't gage that most fans are content with 11 members. We aren't desperate but all candidates mentioned bring something to the table for the conference. Yes, even Liberty.

I want a CCG. I want JMU. - But I'd be fine with LU. Missouri State means very little to me - I'd rather have LU.

I think the MAC programs are afraid of the rise of the Sun Belt, and for good reason. IMOP - The MAC is the weakest of all G5 conferences today. Most of them probably don't believe that is true right now, but the ones that don't believe that it is already true can probably see the writing on the wall. I'd absolutely HATE to be in the MAC. I'd take the invite if it was our only path - Heck I would have taken a "WAC-E" invite if we would have had to for the move to FBS. But I think some of their jeers and fun pokes are out of fear. I suppose the ones that rank basketball first are just fine with the MAC - and that is fine with me. Different strokes as they say! But in Football - they are the bottom of the pack and I see no upward movement for them with the exception of NIU. If you really value the future of your football program, why would you want a MAC invite if the Sun Belt were an option? I can see the argument for CUSA, although we have risen above them on the gridiron as well.

I wouldn't call the MAC the weakest of the G5. Along with MWC they are the only geographically sensible leagues out there. They clearly have programs that produce success.

The only "weakness" I perceive is that it seems apparent there are a number of programs that aren't putting a great deal of effort into developing a university/fan athletic culture and the commitment to cost-containment now has them in a position where a lot of people who would be likely coaching candidates are in jobs that would require giving up a lot of pay to accept, a situation that wasn't true a few years ago.


RE: Reports out of missouri saying JMU and MSU recieved invite - HawaiiMongoose - 04-12-2014 12:48 PM

(04-12-2014 12:13 PM)Eagleditka Wrote:  
(04-11-2014 10:53 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(04-11-2014 10:39 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  Benson is here for our Spring game tomorrow and I am told he will be interviewed by our radio guys sometime tomorrow during the Spring game. I am sure he will be questioned about Sun Belt expansion. Maybe he will say something other than the company line that we need a 12th football playing school from the eastern part of the conference.

I bet he mentions Liberty at least once.

No mention of Liberty. But he said we will have a 12th team in 2015. Whatever that means.

If nothing else, it confirms the conference won't stand pat. Either JMU accepts an invitation, or there will be an invitation to a fallback school. None of the fallback choices is ideal so the least objectionable will get the offer.


RE: Reports out of missouri saying JMU and MSU recieved invite - Miami (Oh) Yeah ! - 04-12-2014 01:22 PM

(04-12-2014 12:48 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  
(04-12-2014 12:13 PM)Eagleditka Wrote:  
(04-11-2014 10:53 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(04-11-2014 10:39 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  Benson is here for our Spring game tomorrow and I am told he will be interviewed by our radio guys sometime tomorrow during the Spring game. I am sure he will be questioned about Sun Belt expansion. Maybe he will say something other than the company line that we need a 12th football playing school from the eastern part of the conference.

I bet he mentions Liberty at least once.

No mention of Liberty. But he said we will have a 12th team in 2015. Whatever that means.

If nothing else, it confirms the conference won't stand pat. Either JMU accepts an invitation, or there will be an invitation to a fallback school. None of the fallback choices is ideal so the least objectionable will get the offer.

Missouri State makes the most sense and has the largest potential. If they weren't buried in the SW corner of Missouri (travel-wise), then I'd love to see them in the MAC. In my eyes, MO State is pretty comparable to JMU. MO State has better basketball, JMU has better football - both have room to grow and plenty of potential. JMU holds a slight edge, but Mo State would be fully committed in for the long haul where JMU will always be looking for the mythical eastern conference.


RE: Reports out of missouri saying JMU and MSU recieved invite - Miami (Oh) Yeah ! - 04-12-2014 01:27 PM

(04-12-2014 09:42 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  I would want to see hard numbers of what sort of revenue we could be guaranteed to get out of it. I don't know that they would be that impressive.

I don't rule it out, but until I see some huge benefit for having one I'm going to remain very skeptical.

Benson wanting a special event to oversee isn't enough for me.

I'd guess the SBC could expect to see ESPN (or whomever) to pay between $250,000 - $500,000 for the TV rights for the SBC Football Championship game.

$20,000 - $40,000 per school. Not a ton, but it is something and more importantly Benson mentioned how that is one more big exposure opportunity for the conference that adds value. In addition, it seems as though Appalachian State might have been promised an eastern travel partner when they joined based on how much Benson stresses it.


RE: Reports out of missouri saying JMU and MSU recieved invite - GaSoEagle - 04-12-2014 01:39 PM

Benson did say the conference was working to add a 12th FB playing school. He repeated the same thing I have heard many times-- Sun Belt needs a team in the East to be travel partner for App. St. and that it will help not just football but will help in all sports to have a 12th eastern member. I don't recall him mentioning any school by name but I do think he said Sun Belt would add a school by June 1.


RE: Reports out of missouri saying JMU and MSU recieved invite - ODUalum78 - 04-12-2014 01:51 PM

(04-12-2014 01:39 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  Benson did say the conference was working to add a 12th FB playing school. He repeated the same thing I have heard many times-- Sun Belt needs a team in the East to be travel partner for App. St. and that it will help not just football but will help in all sports to have a 12th eastern member. I don't recall him mentioning any school by name but I do think he said Sun Belt would add a school by June 1.

At various times he has mentioned Liberty.
In one interview in 2013 someone mentioned JMU to him and he said something like "we would be interested to have that discussion".


RE: Reports out of missouri saying JMU and MSU recieved invite - All Dukes_All Day - 04-12-2014 02:00 PM

(04-12-2014 01:22 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  
(04-12-2014 12:48 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  
(04-12-2014 12:13 PM)Eagleditka Wrote:  
(04-11-2014 10:53 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(04-11-2014 10:39 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  Benson is here for our Spring game tomorrow and I am told he will be interviewed by our radio guys sometime tomorrow during the Spring game. I am sure he will be questioned about Sun Belt expansion. Maybe he will say something other than the company line that we need a 12th football playing school from the eastern part of the conference.

I bet he mentions Liberty at least once.

No mention of Liberty. But he said we will have a 12th team in 2015. Whatever that means.

If nothing else, it confirms the conference won't stand pat. Either JMU accepts an invitation, or there will be an invitation to a fallback school. None of the fallback choices is ideal so the least objectionable will get the offer.

Missouri State makes the most sense and has the largest potential. If they weren't buried in the SW corner of Missouri (travel-wise), then I'd love to see them in the MAC. In my eyes, MO State is pretty comparable to JMU. MO State has better basketball, JMU has better football - both have room to grow and plenty of potential. JMU holds a slight edge, but Mo State would be fully committed in for the long haul where JMU will always be looking for the mythical eastern conference.

Ahhh I miss those days where our fans dreamed up magical scenarios that were never going to happen...now it's all anger, frustration and MAC/Sun Belt fans arguing over who has the best conference...good times?


RE: Reports out of missouri saying JMU and MSU recieved invite - Liberty Fan - 04-12-2014 02:01 PM

A couple of people have tweeted about Missouri State, but I fail to find a single real news story out of Missouri that indicates it's close to happening? You would think their local media would be picking up on it if were true.

https://www.google.com/search?q=moursi+state+sun+belt&safe=off&hl=en&gbv=2&prmd=ivns&source=lnms&tbm=nws&tbs=qdr:d&sa=X&ei=94tJU96WKfKrsQTn64DgDQ&ved=0CAcQ_AU#gbv=2&hl=en&q=Missouri+state+sun+belt&safe=off&tbm=nws&tbs=qdr:w


RE: Reports out of missouri saying JMU and MSU recieved invite - The4thOption - 04-12-2014 02:19 PM

(04-12-2014 12:28 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-12-2014 09:13 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  
(04-12-2014 08:53 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Through this whole process the MAC guys seem to think the SBC is desperate, when actually it is only Benson that is. Most fans are content with holding at 11.

If anything this last week has produced a positive for the SBC general public, we have learned that Idaho is a short term member and will allow for FCS programs like Mo. St. to improve over the next two years. I'd say our hand has improved from a fan's perspective with that news.

I wouldn't gage that most fans are content with 11 members. We aren't desperate but all candidates mentioned bring something to the table for the conference. Yes, even Liberty.

I want a CCG. I want JMU. - But I'd be fine with LU. Missouri State means very little to me - I'd rather have LU.

I think the MAC programs are afraid of the rise of the Sun Belt, and for good reason. IMOP - The MAC is the weakest of all G5 conferences today. Most of them probably don't believe that is true right now, but the ones that don't believe that it is already true can probably see the writing on the wall. I'd absolutely HATE to be in the MAC. I'd take the invite if it was our only path - Heck I would have taken a "WAC-E" invite if we would have had to for the move to FBS. But I think some of their jeers and fun pokes are out of fear. I suppose the ones that rank basketball first are just fine with the MAC - and that is fine with me. Different strokes as they say! But in Football - they are the bottom of the pack and I see no upward movement for them with the exception of NIU. If you really value the future of your football program, why would you want a MAC invite if the Sun Belt were an option? I can see the argument for CUSA, although we have risen above them on the gridiron as well.

I wouldn't call the MAC the weakest of the G5. Along with MWC they are the only geographically sensible leagues out there. They clearly have programs that produce success.

The only "weakness" I perceive is that it seems apparent there are a number of programs that aren't putting a great deal of effort into developing a university/fan athletic culture and the commitment to cost-containment now has them in a position where a lot of people who would be likely coaching candidates are in jobs that would require giving up a lot of pay to accept, a situation that wasn't true a few years ago.

The one strength that they seem to have is the tight foot print you mention. Low travel cost is certainly valuable and on that front I guess they are strong.

But - poor fan attendance in football and poor performance or commitment to strong athletics is a major problem. And in that part of the country, I don't think football is what it is further south. (A Religion). Again - I don't know anything about their basketball, or ours for that matter. But I know here, it is a distant second for many of our fans.

When calling them weak - I'm speaking directly to their product in Football. Both on the field and in the stands.

For JMU football = SBC > MAC. All other g5 > MAC.

As a fall back from JMU for the Belt: IMHOP:
(Football being the driver) Liberty>MSU. Especially since we need an East member.
But I'm probably in the minority, and there is a good chance we take both.

Maybe even both AND JMU?