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Big East cross country All Sports - Cubanbull - 11-23-2012 12:27 PM
Assuming that either UL or UConn leave for ACC and that there are no other moves. Aresco and Big East could go to an All sports league.
2013 football
EAST
Temple,UCF,USF,Cincy,Memphis and either UL or UConn
WEST
SMU,Houston,Boise,SDSU, Fresno,UNLV
In 2015 when Navy comes in the East, you could add BYU or AF. This is assuming BYU joins but waits due to contract with ESPN. If not you can put them earlier
2013 Basketball
EAST
Seton Hall, Providence,Georgetown,Villanova,Temple, St Johns (6) UConn if not in ACC
MIDWEST
Marquette,DePaul,Cincy,Memphis,UCF,USF (6) Louisville if they are in BE
WEST
Boise,SDSU,SMU,Houston,Fresno,UNLV (6) BYU goes in here in 2015
So a 12 football league in 2013. 14 in 2015 if need be
In basketball 19 teams broken into a 6-6-7 division allowing home-away in division and 6-8 cross divisional that could be chosen by TV appeal. In 2015 20 teams with a similar 6-7-7 divisional breakdown
RE: Big East cross country All Sports - Attackcoog - 11-23-2012 12:31 PM
(11-23-2012 12:27 PM)Cubanbull Wrote: Assuming that either UL or UConn leave for ACC and that there are no other moves. Aresco and Big East could go to an Al sports league.
2013 football
EAST
Temple,UCF,USF,Ciincy,Memphis and either UL or UConn
WEST
SMU,Houston,Boise,SDSU, Fresno,UNLV
In 2015 when Navy comes in the East, you could add BYU or AF. This is assuming BYU joins but waits due to contract with ESPN. If not you can put them earlier
2013 Basketball
EAST
Seton Hall, Providence,Georgetown,Villanova,Temple, St Johns (6) UConn if not in ACC
MIDWEST
Marquette,DePaul,Cincy,Memphis,UCF,USF (6) Louisville if they are in BE
WEST
Boise,SDSU,SMU,Houston,Fresno,UNLV (6) BYU goes in here in 2015
So a 12 football league in 2013. 14 in 2015 if need be
In basketball 19 teams broken into a 6-6-7 division allowing home-away in division and 6-8 cross divisional that could be chosen by TV appeal. In 2015 20 teams with a similar 6-7-7 divisional breakdown
Non-revenue sports could play divisional schedules with limited or no crossover play (championship games to determine conference winner where necessasary).
Yup, I like this idea alot....and have said so repeatedly.
RE: Big East cross country All Sports - EDLUVAR - 11-23-2012 12:50 PM
That would be a good b ball league. Wonder if they are actually thinking about this?
RE: Big East cross country All Sports - Cubanbull - 11-23-2012 12:52 PM
(11-23-2012 12:50 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote: That would be a good b ball league. Wonder if they are actually thinking about this?
I'm sure tat Aresco has thought of it and could be in the equation. This not only offers all sports access to SDSU and Boise but makes it more attractive to any other western addition specially BYU and AF.
RE: Big East cross country All Sports - NJRedMan - 11-23-2012 01:16 PM
Give us BBall schools more money if you want us to travel to the west.
RE: Big East cross country All Sports - Cubanbull - 11-23-2012 01:22 PM
(11-23-2012 01:16 PM)NJRedMan Wrote: Give us BBall schools more money if you want us to travel to the west.
With that set up the eastern schools would only be traveling west once or twice a year and one coud be to SMU or Houston which would have happened anyways.
Example ST Johns schedule assuming 18 conference games and UConn still in league
HOME: Nova,Providence,Seton Hall,UConn,Temple,Georgetown,Marquette,SDSU,Cincy
AWAY: Nova,Providence,Seton Hall,UConn,Temple,Georgetown,UCF,Houston,Boise
RE: Big East cross country All Sports - EDLUVAR - 11-23-2012 01:22 PM
With the lack of good football teams to add it would make sense if this were to happen to improve B ball as much as possible. Earn some revanue from tourny credits at least.
RE: Big East cross country All Sports - EDLUVAR - 11-23-2012 01:24 PM
(11-23-2012 01:16 PM)NJRedMan Wrote: Give us BBall schools more money if you want us to travel to the west.
The b ball schools would be saving 1.5 million per year that they would not have to pay the Big Lots Conf. Also I would think it would open up California and Texas to those teams which could improve recruiting.
RE: Big East cross country All Sports - Attackcoog - 11-23-2012 01:24 PM
(11-23-2012 01:22 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote: With the lack of good football teams to add it would make sense if this were to happen to improve B ball as much as possible. Earn some revanue from tourny credits at least.
Kinda what I am thinking...play to your strengths. Add media markets, good basketball, and still the odds on favorite to win the non-AQ BCS bowl bid every year.
RE: Big East cross country All Sports - Road Apple - 11-23-2012 01:24 PM
Not sure it would work out very well financially. The travel for all sports teams would be a killer. I think that was one of the main reasons why the western teams came in for FB only at the time. Plus, the other BE teams did not want to play in the west.
But the addition of all sports would certainly have to include the idea of adding UNLV who is #28 nationally in Basketball. They are the #40 media market in the nation, have a new convered 50,000 seat stadium on the books, and home to Las Vegas Bowl and many national athletic tournaments.
And then there is New Mexico: #30 ranked in BB nationally and the #47 media market. The Lobos should surely be a major consideration along with Air Force, #147th nationally. BYU #63 in BB would probably prefer to stay in the WCC, but who knows if they will even come?
RE: Big East cross country All Sports - Cubanbull - 11-23-2012 01:27 PM
(11-23-2012 01:24 PM)Road Apple Wrote: Not sure it would work out very well financially. The travel for all sports teams would be a killer. I think that was one of the main reasons why the western teams came in for FB only at the time. Plus, the other BE teams did not want to play in the west.
But the addition of all sports would certainly have to include the idea of adding UNLV who is #28 nationally in Basketball. They are the #40 media market in the nation, have a new convered 50,000 seat stadium on the books, and is home to Las Vegas Bowl and many national athletic tournaments.
And then there is New Mexico: #30 ranked in BB nationally and the #47 media market. The Lobos would surely be a major consideration along with Air Force, #147th nationally.
No because as you see in my example in basketball you would only have 6-8 crossover games so thats 3-4 away games out of division. Minor sports would only play in division reducing travel costs. So Boise volleyball team would not play eastern teams during regular season.
RE: Big East cross country All Sports - Attackcoog - 11-23-2012 01:27 PM
(11-23-2012 01:16 PM)NJRedMan Wrote: Give us BBall schools more money if you want us to travel to the west.
I would guess you would be looking at 60-40 to a 50-50 split with this. The only one that would care is Navy. Maybe the football playing side of the conference would be willing to take 150K less each to augment Navy enough to make the deal still viable for them if needed. The basketball schools could also chip in a bit, since the other option would be adding an another all-sports school in thier place which would cut into the basketball school earnings too. Its not like this set up would require alot of travel. Just enough crossover to keep TV happy.
RE: Big East cross country All Sports - DFW HOYA - 11-23-2012 01:31 PM
Mike Aresco is a sharp commissioner and he's aware of many more possibilities to offer the networks that his predecessor might have had. Hiring him was a great step forward even if it thwarted ESPN's hopes that it could bully the previous commissioner into a deal.
RE: Big East cross country All Sports - IceJus10 - 11-23-2012 01:48 PM
I don't think there is any chance of this... The Big East will remain All-Sports on the eastern half of the country, and football coast-to-coast... this hybrid model allows them to survive... they can raid tourney quality basketball/olympic sports teams from the A-10 and other eastern leagues and football-only members coast-to-coast... the days of compromising basketball has ended! They will make a basketball move in addition to a football move... to replace lost basketball prowess, while also keeping 12-14 football members going forward. Together, they'll be worth more than apart!
RE: Big East cross country All Sports - EDLUVAR - 11-23-2012 01:56 PM
Adding Temple and Memphis was a compromise? LOL
RE: Big East cross country All Sports - IceJus10 - 11-23-2012 02:19 PM
(11-23-2012 01:56 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote: Adding Temple and Memphis was a compromise? LOL
Way to cherry pick from the surface... the reality is they didn't just add Memphis and Temple for their basketball...
Temple was added FOR FOOTBALL, they needed an 8th member for this year and Temple agreed to move immediately to replace WVU. It just so happens they have a quality basketball program who will follow them into the league next year.
Memphis was brought in because it was a nice sized market for television negotiations and getting the league football number to the minimum 12 members. Plus, they had strong boosters and corporate supporters who said they would assist the Big East in sponsorship. Memphis' location as a bridge between the new Texas members and the rest was cited, AND yes it had a basketball upside and what they called at the time "tremendous" potential for the football side with the Liberty Bowl.
Then you have Houston, SMU, and UCF... who have potential, but were all big-market additions to keep the football side at needed numbers and to maximize potential tv dollars, not to strengthen basketball.
There are plenty of basketball powers they can choose from, who will not affect the football side and who will add value and tourney appearances and strength to the basketball ranks. After all it is the basketball name that has given the Big East life after life after life when its been raided time and time again! This hybrid form (full members, basketball/olympic members, and football only members) that people have criticized since its inception as a football conference is exactly what keeps it viable and marketable!
RE: Big East cross country All Sports - Attackcoog - 11-23-2012 02:25 PM
(11-23-2012 01:48 PM)IceJus10 Wrote: I don't think there is any chance of this... The Big East will remain All-Sports on the eastern half of the country, and football coast-to-coast... this hybrid model allows them to survive... they can raid tourney quality basketball/olympic sports teams from the A-10 and other eastern leagues and football-only members coast-to-coast... the days of compromising basketball has ended! They will make a basketball move in addition to a football move... to replace lost basketball prowess, while also keeping 12-14 football members going forward. Together, they'll be worth more than apart!
We are not suggesting a split. The basketball schools would be part of the all sports conference. You can add basketball onlys if you like. What we are saying is that other than Navy, football additions are all-sports and must be made with both football AND basketball in mind to create a nationwide dominant basketball conference. UNLV and New Mexico are HORRIBLE football only additions. They make interesting all-sports additions. SDSU goes from being a good football addition to a homerun all-sports addition.
RE: Big East cross country All Sports - UofLgrad07 - 11-23-2012 02:33 PM
(11-23-2012 01:27 PM)Cubanbull Wrote: No because as you see in my example in basketball you would only have 6-8 crossover games so thats 3-4 away games out of division. Minor sports would only play in division reducing travel costs. So Boise volleyball team would not play eastern teams during regular season.
Agreed. I'm not sure whether it is an NCAA policy or a Big East policy, but men's soccer only has to play one cross divisional game per year (link). Assuming it is just a conference rule (and thus not actually required), then I think your idea could work.
RE: Big East cross country All Sports - Vewb1 - 11-23-2012 03:59 PM
Here we go, more UL guys making assumptions.
RE: Big East cross country All Sports - UofLgrad07 - 11-23-2012 06:43 PM
(11-23-2012 03:59 PM)Vewb1 Wrote: Here we go, more UL guys making assumptions.
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