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I bet this guy is a Tea Bagger Episcopalian... - WoodlandsOwl - 09-20-2010 03:39 PM
OOPS, he probably isn't...
Chicago man arrested in alleged bomb plot
CHICAGO – Federal authorities say they've arrested a 22-year-old man who allegedly placed a backpack on a crowded Chicago street corner over the weekend thinking it contained an explosive.
The FBI's Chicago office says Sami Samir Hassoun is charged with one count each of attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction and attempted use of an explosive device.
Hassoun was arrested after midnight Saturday. He had an initial appearance in a Chicago federal courtroom Monday afternoon.
The statement says the arrest was part of an investigation going back at least several months. It says the supposed explosive device was fake and given to Hassoun by an undercover agent.
A message was left at a home telephone number for Hassoun wasn't returned.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100920/ap_on_re_us/us_chicago_bomb_arrest
RE: I bet this guy is a Tea Bagger Episcopalian... - DrTorch - 09-20-2010 03:52 PM
Presbyterian.
RE: I bet this guy is a Tea Bagger Episcopalian... - HuskieFan84 - 09-20-2010 04:09 PM
Good call, Christians have never committed this kind of crime before.
RE: I bet this guy is a Tea Bagger Episcopalian... - flyingswoosh - 09-20-2010 04:14 PM
(09-20-2010 04:09 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote: Good call, Christians have never committed this kind of crime before.
exactly! there's no difference between muslims and christians in today's society
RE: I bet this guy is a Tea Bagger Episcopalian... - Paul M - 09-20-2010 04:15 PM
Eh, It's Chicago. Seems to be terrorists or radicals in all their churches.
RE: I bet this guy is a Tea Bagger Episcopalian... - Motown Bronco - 09-20-2010 04:19 PM
(09-20-2010 04:09 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote: Good call, Christians have never committed this kind of crime before.
OK, I'll bite.
What are the examples of Christians leaving explosives in crowded areas (for religious-driven reasons)?
The paranthetical means we exclude the oft-used and recycled Timothy McVeigh example. And abortion doctor killings are typically trotted out too, but happen about as rare as Halley's Comet appearances, and is considered murder and not terrorism as the targeted victim is focused and not 'random'.
RE: I bet this guy is a Tea Bagger Episcopalian... - T-Monay820 - 09-20-2010 04:35 PM
(09-20-2010 04:19 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:(09-20-2010 04:09 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote: Good call, Christians have never committed this kind of crime before.
OK, I'll bite.
What are the examples of Christians leaving explosives in crowded areas (for religious-driven reasons)?
The paranthetical means we exclude the oft-used and recycled Timothy McVeigh example. And abortion doctor killings are typically trotted out too, but happen about as rare as Halley's Comet appearances, and is considered murder and not terrorism as the targeted victim is focused and not 'random'.
IRA? Though I don't think they're movement was driven by religious fundamentalism.
RE: I bet this guy is a Tea Bagger Episcopalian... - flyingswoosh - 09-20-2010 04:58 PM
(09-20-2010 04:35 PM)T-Monay820 Wrote:(09-20-2010 04:19 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:(09-20-2010 04:09 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote: Good call, Christians have never committed this kind of crime before.
OK, I'll bite.
What are the examples of Christians leaving explosives in crowded areas (for religious-driven reasons)?
The paranthetical means we exclude the oft-used and recycled Timothy McVeigh example. And abortion doctor killings are typically trotted out too, but happen about as rare as Halley's Comet appearances, and is considered murder and not terrorism as the targeted victim is focused and not 'random'.
IRA? Though I don't think they're movement was driven by religious fundamentalism.
yeah, not quite. not to mention i fear the irish a lot less than i fear muslims
RE: I bet this guy is a Tea Bagger Episcopalian... - Motown Bronco - 09-20-2010 05:23 PM
I guess if we set our time frame parameter to be "centuries" and the geography to be the whole planet, then yes, I'm sure we can find examples of virtually any action.
RE: I bet this guy is a Tea Bagger Episcopalian... - flyingswoosh - 09-21-2010 07:30 AM
(09-20-2010 05:23 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote: I guess if we set our time frame parameter to be "centuries" and the geography to be the whole planet, then yes, I'm sure we can find examples of virtually any action.
very true, but for some reason i don't fear 15th century warriors
RE: I bet this guy is a Tea Bagger Episcopalian... - HuskieFan84 - 09-21-2010 08:28 AM
Not sure how the IRA doesn't count. I'm sorry you are a coward and you've let a few members of the Muslim fringe scare you, but to pigeon hole them as the only ones who would commit this kind of crime, as WMD Owl implied in his original post is ridiculous.
It's pathetic how weak some people are.. the terrorists have already won with some of you. When you just assume it must be a Muslim out to get you every time someone does something like this it only shows they have you by the balls.
Quote:"He wanted to transform the city of Chicago, he wanted to make a statement and he wanted to replace the mayor of Chicago," said FBI Special Agent in Charge Robert Grant. "He was unhappy with the way the city was running.
Quote:Grant said Hassoun wanted to start his own organization.
Quote:Authorities said Hassoun wasn't motivated by religious or political views but rather by a bizarre desire to undermine the mayor's political support and allow an associate to take control of the city.
Quote:Hassoun suggested the plotters attempt to put blame for the attack on Muslim extremists.
Hassoun should know in this country the people will do that on their own.
This wasn't some Muslim terrorist group, it was just some jack off who was pissed off at the world, no different than those people involved with the Michigan militia or Timothy McVeigh and the Christian Identity Movement, which no normal Christian would associate with.
RE: I bet this guy is a Tea Bagger Episcopalian... - DrTorch - 09-21-2010 09:50 AM
(09-21-2010 08:28 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote: Not sure how the IRA doesn't count.
It might. But since you're the one w/ the big mouth, you should defend your comments.
Quote: I'm sorry you are a coward and you've let a few members of the Muslim fringe scare you, but to pigeon hole them as the only ones who would commit this kind of crime, as WMD Owl implied in his original post is ridiculous.
Haha, now the insults start. Let's see, you got owned b/c you couldn't back up your comments, so you deflect and start insulting other people.
Pathetic.
Here's a thought...check a few facts before you type your righteous indignation. Who knows, you might even learn something along the way.
RE: I bet this guy is a Tea Bagger Episcopalian... - HuskieFan84 - 09-21-2010 10:01 AM
Couldn't back up my comments? I was gone for the day. I came back, quoted the article that implies the original poster's point that the bombing had anything to do with his Muslim background was clearly wrong. What comments do I need to defend? What was wrong about what I said in my original post?
Had I known yesterday what I said was disputed or that someone out there was so ignorant that they didn't know that Christians (or people from other religions) have killed innocent people for non-religious reasons before I would have provided examples. I assumed it was common knowledge that people from all religious backgrounds have committed ignorant crimes like this. I apologize for having too much respect for you.
To your second point, T-Monay said he was afraid of Muslims. I consider that to be a coward, it is what it is. If you disagree, fine, but I think someone who is afraid of an entire religion is a pathetic coward who has given into terrorism, and I have no respect for them. No reason to sugar coat it, that's my opinion.
What facts did I have wrong? I'll wait.
RE: I bet this guy is a Tea Bagger Episcopalian... - Rebel - 09-21-2010 10:07 AM
(09-21-2010 10:01 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote: To your second point, T-Monay said he was afraid of Muslims. I consider that to be a coward, it is what it is.
You sign up to defend your nation and strap a rocket on your ass to dogfight and/or perform bombing runs. Then you can call him a coward. Otherwise, you're nothing but a loud-mouthed pu55y behind a keyboard.
RE: I bet this guy is a Tea Bagger Episcopalian... - HuskieFan84 - 09-21-2010 10:22 AM
To be fair.. I'm loud mouthed where ever I go, but otherwise, it seems your logic is without flaw.
Clearly, my willingness to defend the minority voice suggests that I am a coward. I better get my head out of the Arab sand, not scared of Muslims, what the hell is wrong with me?
RE: I bet this guy is a Tea Bagger Episcopalian... - aTxTIGER - 09-21-2010 10:26 AM
(09-21-2010 10:07 AM)Rebel Wrote:(09-21-2010 10:01 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote: To your second point, T-Monay said he was afraid of Muslims. I consider that to be a coward, it is what it is.
You sign up to defend your nation and strap a rocket on your ass to dogfight and/or perform bombing runs. Then you can call him a coward. Otherwise, you're nothing but a loud-mouthed pu55y behind a keyboard.
+1
RE: I bet this guy is a Tea Bagger Episcopalian... - Motown Bronco - 09-21-2010 10:38 AM
(09-21-2010 08:28 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote: ... but to pigeon hole them as the only ones who would commit this kind of crime, as WMD Owl implied in his original post is ridiculous.
I'm not speaking for Owl here. But my interpretation of his thread title is that since it became a national news story, the Tea Party has been routinely positioned by certain elements of the media - and most certainly the left-leaning opinionheads - as some radical, racist, unhinged group prone to violence at the drop of a hat. Despite this being largely untrue, the image is still peddled. So the thread title was a jab at those.
Having said that... I stand corrected on this Hassoun guy if it was just some dude who flipped out over local politics. It sure wasn't indicated in the original report. And before you tell me I jump to conclusions... Sure, it's what happens when similar stories splash across the newspapers every day from every corner of the world.
Then my reaction stemmed from what I've seen often on political threads or comment sections: A "Christians are just as bad!" reply to a remark critical about jihadists (not necessarily talking about this thread or board, but in general). I understand and agree with the argument that the vast majority of Muslims are everyday folks who don't partake nor approve violence, and that painting any group based on the actions of a distinct minority is wrongheaded. This is fact.
But it's also fact that, currently, Islam has a far larger issue to address with its extremist "bad apples" minority than all the other religions combined.
RE: I bet this guy is a Tea Bagger Episcopalian... - HuskieFan84 - 09-21-2010 10:47 AM
Motown.. I live a couple blocks from Wrigley, and was a block down, on Clark the night this happened, so obviously I did a little more reading on the situation than the average person just because I could have been one of the people hurt if this guy had any clue what he was doing.
I guess I can understand if you had just glanced at some main stream news article or some random blog post, you may have thought this Hassoun guy was something other than he is.
That being said, I didn't see anything in any initial reports from legitimate media, that suggested this guy was affiliated with any groups of any kind, or that he wasn't working alone. And nothing I read suggested this had anything to do with his religion.
RE: I bet this guy is a Tea Bagger Episcopalian... - DrTorch - 09-21-2010 11:11 AM
(09-21-2010 10:47 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote: That being said, I didn't see anything in any initial reports from legitimate media, that suggested this guy was affiliated with any groups of any kind, or that he wasn't working alone. And nothing I read suggested this had anything to do with his religion.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
And who are you to dictate what the "legitimate" media are?
RE: I bet this guy is a Tea Bagger Episcopalian... - DrTorch - 09-21-2010 11:12 AM
(09-21-2010 10:01 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote: Couldn't back up my comments?
Had I known yesterday what I said was disputed or that someone out there was so ignorant that they didn't know that Christians (or people from other religions) have killed innocent people for non-religious reasons before I would have provided examples.
That wasn't your original claim.
So, I'm curious as to your response to Motown's challenge.