(09-06-2010 10:35 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  Tell me there isn't a plan to plant a flag. But they'll ***** and probably kill people if some Christians burn one of their stinking books. Too many people have forgotten what happened 10 years ago.

(09-06-2010 10:35 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  Tell me there isn't a plan to plant a flag. But they'll ***** and probably kill people if some Christians burn one of their stinking books. Too many people have forgotten what happened 10 years ago.

(09-06-2010 02:02 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-06-2010 10:35 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  Tell me there isn't a plan to plant a flag. But they'll ***** and probably kill people if some Christians burn one of their stinking books. Too many people have forgotten what happened 10 years ago.

I really don't think anyone has forgotten that a bunch of religous fanatics few planes into the WTC towers, Pentagon and an empty field in Pennsylvania. What YOU have forgotten is that these were religous wack jobs and not an entire religion.

(09-06-2010 02:02 PM)RobertN Wrote:  I really don't think anyone has forgotten that a bunch of Islamic religous fanatics few planes into the WTC towers, Pentagon and an empty field in Pennsylvania. What YOU have forgotten is that these were Islamic religous wack jobs and not an entire religion.

(09-06-2010 06:26 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Newt Gingrich

July 21, 2010

There should be no mosque near Ground Zero in New York so long as
there are no churches or synagogues in Saudi Arabia . The time for
double standards that allow Islamists to behave aggressively toward us
while they demand our weakness and submission is over.

The proposed "Cordoba House" overlooking the World Trade Center site –
where a group of jihadists killed over 3000 Americans and destroyed
one of our most famous landmarks - is a test of the timidity,
passivity and historic ignorance of American elites. For example,
most of them don’t understand that “Cordoba House” is a deliberately
insulting term. It refers to Cordoba , Spain – the capital of Muslim
conquerors who symbolized their victory over the Christian Spaniards
by transforming a church there into the world’s third-largest mosque
complex.

Today, some of the Mosque’s backers insist this term is being used to
"symbolize interfaith cooperation" when, in fact, every Islamist in
the world recognizes Cordoba as a symbol of Islamic conquest. It is a
sign of their contempt for Americans and their confidence in our
historic ignorance that they would deliberately insult us this way.
Those Islamists and their apologists who argue for "religious
toleration" are arrogantly dishonest. They ignore the fact that more
than 100 mosques already exist in New York City . Meanwhile, there are
no churches or synagogues in all of Saudi Arabia . In fact no Christian
or Jew can even enter Mecca . And they lecture us about tolerance.

If the people behind the Cordoba House were serious about religious
toleration, they would be imploring the Saudis, as fellow Muslims, to
immediately open up Mecca to all and immediately announce their
intention to allow non-Muslim houses of worship in the Kingdom. They
should be asked by the news media if they would be willing to lead
such a campaign.

We have not been able to rebuild the World Trade Center in nine years.
Now we are being told a 13 story, $100 million megamosque will be
built within a year overlooking the site of the most devastating
surprise attack in American history.

Finally where is the money coming from? The people behind the Cordoba
House refuse to reveal all their funding sources.
America is experiencing an Islamist cultural-political offensive
designed to undermine and destroy our civilization. Sadly, too many of
our elites are the willing apologists for those who would destroy them
if they could.

No mosque.

No self deception.

No surrender.

The time to take a stand is now - at this site on this issue.

(09-06-2010 07:30 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(09-06-2010 02:02 PM)RobertN Wrote:  I really don't think anyone has forgotten that a bunch of Islamic religous fanatics few planes into the WTC towers, Pentagon and an empty field in Pennsylvania. What YOU have forgotten is that these were Islamic religous wack jobs and not an entire religion.

Is this what you meant to say? And it's odd that for you guys the tea party are all intolerant racists but with Islam there are just a few bad apples.


Sum, nice post.

(09-06-2010 07:55 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Roberta and liberals alike are being forced feed a steady diet of lies by the Government Propaganda Ministry or the Lame Stream Media. They choke down the wordsmithing and regurgitate it on demand. It wasn't a Terrorist act, it was a "man caused disaster". It was religious fanatics, not "Islamic religious fanatics". Yes, 911 is distant history for some.

(09-06-2010 11:58 PM)RobertN Wrote:  As for the cartoon, despite the claims, it has already been proven that it isn't about where it is to be located. Why do you guys keep pretending that is the reason?

Newt Gingrich Wrote:For example,
most of them don’t understand that “Cordoba House” is a deliberately
insulting term. It refers to Cordoba , Spain – the capital of Muslim
conquerors who symbolized their victory over the Christian Spaniards
by transforming a church there into the world’s third-largest mosque
complex.

Quote:http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/11/nyregion/11religion.html?_r=2&src=ISMR_HP_LO_MST_FB

Muslims and Islam Were Part of Twin Towers’ Life

Sometime in 1999, a construction electrician received a new work assignment from his union. The man, Sinclair Hejazi Abdus-Salaam, was told to report to 2 World Trade Center, the southern of the twin towers.

In the union locker room on the 51st floor, Mr. Abdus-Salaam went through a construction worker’s version of due diligence. In the case of an emergency in the building, he asked his foreman and crew, where was he supposed to reassemble? The answer was the corner of Broadway and Vesey.

Over the next few days, noticing some fellow Muslims on the job, Mr. Abdus-Salaam voiced an equally essential question: “So where do you pray at?” And so he learned about the Muslim prayer room on the 17th floor of the south tower.

He went there regularly in the months to come, first doing the ablution known as wudu in a washroom fitted for cleansing hands, face and feet, and then facing toward Mecca to intone the salat prayer.

On any given day, Mr. Abdus-Salaam’s companions in the prayer room might include financial analysts, carpenters, receptionists, secretaries and ironworkers. There were American natives, immigrants who had earned citizenship, visitors conducting international business — the whole Muslim spectrum of nationality and race.

Leaping down the stairs on Sept. 11, 2001, when he had been installing ceiling speakers for a reinsurance company on the 49th floor, Mr. Abdus-Salaam had a brief, panicked thought. He didn’t see any of the Muslims he recognized from the prayer room. Where were they? Had they managed to evacuate?

He staggered out to the gathering place at Broadway and Vesey. From that corner, he watched the south tower collapse, to be followed soon by the north one. Somewhere in the smoking, burning mountain of rubble lay whatever remained of the prayer room, and also of some of the Muslims who had used it.

Given the vitriolic opposition now to the proposal to build a Muslim community center two blocks from ground zero, one might say something else has been destroyed: the realization that Muslim people and the Muslim religion were part of the life of the World Trade Center.

Opponents of the Park51 project say the presence of a Muslim center dishonors the victims of the Islamic extremists who flew two jets into the towers. Yet not only were Muslims peacefully worshiping in the twin towers long before the attacks, but even after the 1993 bombing of one tower by a Muslim radical, Ramzi Yousef, their religious observance generated no opposition

“We weren’t aliens,” Mr. Abdus-Salaam, 60, said in a telephone interview from Florida, where he moved in retirement. “We had a foothold there. You’d walk into the elevator in the morning and say, ‘Salaam aleikum,’ to one construction worker and five more guys in suits would answer, ‘Aleikum salaam.’ ”

One of those men in suits could have been Zafar Sareshwala, a financial executive for the Parsoli Corporation, who went to the prayer room while on business trips from his London office. He was introduced to it, he recently recalled, by a Manhattan investment banker who happened to be Jewish.

“It was so freeing and so calm,” Mr. Sareshwala, 47, said in a phone conversation from Mumbai, where he is now based. “It had the feel of a real mosque. And the best part is that you are in the epicenter of capitalism — New York City, the World Trade Center — and you had this island of spiritualism. I don’t think you could have that combination anywhere in the world.”

How, when and by whom the prayer room was begun remains unclear. Interviews this week with historians and building executives of the trade center came up empty. Many of the Port Authority’s leasing records were destroyed in the towers’ collapse. The imams of several Manhattan mosques whose members sometimes went to the prayer room knew nothing of its origins.

Yet the room’s existence is etched in the memories of participants like Mr. Abdus-Salaam and Mr. Sareshwala. Prof. John L. Esposito of Georgetown University, an expert in Islamic studies, briefly mentions the prayer room in his recent book “The Future of Islam.”

Moreover, the prayer room was not the only example of Muslim religious practice in or near the trade center. About three dozen Muslim staff members of Windows on the World, the restaurant atop the north tower, used a stairwell between the 106th and 107th floors for their daily prayers.

Without enough time to walk to the closest mosque — Masjid Manhattan on Warren Street, about four blocks away — the waiters, chefs, banquet managers and others would lay a tablecloth atop the concrete landing in the stairwell and flatten cardboard boxes from food deliveries to serve as prayer mats.

During Ramadan, the Muslim employees brought their favorite foods from home, and at the end of the daylight fast shared their iftar meal in the restaurant’s employee cafeteria.

“Iftar was my best memory,” said Sekou Siby, 45, a chef originally from the Ivory Coast. “It was really special.”

Such memories have been overtaken, though, by others. Mr. Siby’s cousin and roommate, a chef named Abdoul-Karim Traoré, died at Windows on the World on Sept. 11, as did at least one other Muslim staff member, a banquet server named Shabir Ahmed from Bangladesh.

Fekkak Mamdouh, an immigrant from Morocco who was head waiter, attended a worship service just weeks after the attacks that honored the estimated 60 Muslims who died. Far from being viewed as objectionable, the service was conducted with formal support from city, state and federal authorities, who arranged for buses to transport imams and mourners to Warren Street.

There, within sight of the ruins, they chanted salat al-Ghaib, the funeral prayer when there is not an intact corpse.

“It is a shame, shame, shame,” Mr. Mamdouh, 49, said of the Park51 dispute. “Sometimes I wake up and think, this is not what I came to America for. I came here to build this country together. People are using this issue for their own agenda. It’s designed to keep the hate going.”

(09-11-2010 01:14 AM)niuhuskie84 Wrote:  Opponents of the Park51 project say the presence of a Muslim center dishonors the victims of the Islamic extremists who flew two jets into the towers. Yet not only were Muslims peacefully worshiping in the twin towers long before the attacks, but even after the 1993 bombing of one tower by a Muslim radical, Ramzi Yousef, their religious observance generated no opposition

“We weren’t aliens,” Mr. Abdus-Salaam, 60, said in a telephone interview from Florida, where he moved in retirement. “We had a foothold there. You’d walk into the elevator in the morning and say, ‘Salaam aleikum,’ to one construction worker and five more guys in suits would answer, ‘Aleikum salaam.’ ”

(09-11-2010 09:04 AM)I45owl Wrote:  

(09-11-2010 01:14 AM)niuhuskie84 Wrote:  Opponents of the Park51 project say the presence of a Muslim center dishonors the victims of the Islamic extremists who flew two jets into the towers. Yet not only were Muslims peacefully worshiping in the twin towers long before the attacks, but even after the 1993 bombing of one tower by a Muslim radical, Ramzi Yousef, their religious observance generated no opposition

“We weren’t aliens,” Mr. Abdus-Salaam, 60, said in a telephone interview from Florida, where he moved in retirement. “We had a foothold there. You’d walk into the elevator in the morning and say, ‘Salaam aleikum,’ to one construction worker and five more guys in suits would answer, ‘Aleikum salaam.’ ”

What an odd thing to say.

Nevertheless, I am well aware of the fact that Muslims were victims of this act of terror as well, but it was their co-religionists that perpetrated it. And, it's the perpetrators that are at issue with the victory mosque.

(09-07-2010 02:35 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

Newt Gingrich Wrote:For example,
most of them don’t understand that “Cordoba House” is a deliberately
insulting term. It refers to Cordoba , Spain – the capital of Muslim
conquerors who symbolized their victory over the Christian Spaniards
by transforming a church there into the world’s third-largest mosque
complex.

It also should not be forgotten that one of the justifications for the 9/11 date is the significance that it has to Islamists regarding when they were thrown out of Spain, making the reference to Cordoba that much more offensive as well as making it look that much more like a symbol of conquest.