(04-11-2009 11:18 PM)West Is the Best Wrote:  For the first time in my life I am concerned about the future of our country.

We all make jokes when the opposition is in power.

But for the first time in my life I am actually concerned about the future of our country.

When elected reps will pass legislation (that has zero legal basis) to punish citizens, then I am concerned.

When the same officials pass budgets that we have Zero chance of repayaing, then I am concerned.

When said officals pass almost anything they want with zero chance for proper review, then I am concerned.

When said officals pass legisation to reward those that break our laws, then I am concerned.

We are being lead by people who lack leadership skills. And who enjoy punishing those to whom they disagree. And this is all in the name of a power grab before they lose office in the next election. This is not about what is best for the USA, but forcing down our throats a plan we do not want and can destroy us.

I worry that when the new congress takes office in two years, and Obama is voted out in four years, that the damage will be too great to undo. I don't have many years left to endure this hell, but I worry about how my kids and grandkids will survive in the nightmare that will be theirs to address.

And this says nothing about our lack of leadership on a global basis, and the resulting lack of respect from our allies, when the damage has been done.

I see a modern day Rome, with Nero playing the fiddle, as Rome burns.

(04-11-2009 11:25 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Stick a fork in us. We're done. There is going to be no recovery from Obama.

That's the way it looks to me at any rate.

If you have a different expectation, I'd really like to engage in serious dialogue--not the kind of partisan name-calling that goes on too much on here.

I'd really like to hear an explanation of how this could work, because I just don't see it.

What I see resulting from Obama's "stimulus plan" is 20 to 50 million unemployed and 20% to 50% inflation, starting some time between 2011 and 2013, and lasting to 2020 or beyond. What I see resulting from Obama's "energy plan" is importing more oil in 2015 than we do today. I don't see how we get through that. I really don't.

(04-12-2009 01:19 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(04-11-2009 11:25 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Stick a fork in us. We're done. There is going to be no recovery from Obama.
That's the way it looks to me at any rate.
If you have a different expectation, I'd really like to engage in serious dialogue--not the kind of partisan name-calling that goes on too much on here.
I'd really like to hear an explanation of how this could work, because I just don't see it.
What I see resulting from Obama's "stimulus plan" is 20 to 50 million unemployed and 20% to 50% inflation, starting some time between 2011 and 2013, and lasting to 2020 or beyond. What I see resulting from Obama's "energy plan" is importing more oil in 2015 than we do today. I don't see how we get through that. I really don't.

Well, maybe you should have your eyes examined, not to mention your head.

(04-11-2009 11:18 PM)West Is the Best Wrote:  For the first time in my life I am concerned about the future of our country.

We all make jokes when the opposition is in power.

But for the first time in my life I am actually concerned about the future of our country.

When elected reps will pass legislation (that has zero legal basis) to punish citizens, then I am concerned.

When the same officials pass budgets that we have Zero chance of repayaing, then I am concerned.

When said officals pass almost anything they want with zero chance for proper review, then I am concerned.

When said officals pass legisation to reward those that break our laws, then I am concerned.

We are being lead by people who lack leadership skills. And who enjoy punishing those to whom they disagree. And this is all in the name of a power grab before they lose office in the next election. This is not about what is best for the USA, but forcing down our throats a plan we do not want and can destroy us.

I worry that when the new congress takes office in two years, and Obama is voted out in four years, that the damage will be too great to undo. I don't have many years left to endure this hell, but I worry about how my kids and grandkids will survive in the nightmare that will be theirs to address.

And this says nothing about our lack of leadership on a global basis, and the resulting lack of respect from our allies, when the damage has been done.

I see a modern day Rome, with Nero playing the fiddle, as Rome burns.

(04-12-2009 08:18 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  I was at a conference on Wednesday, and the main speaker was a "futurist".

Pretty interesting, I'd write more if anyone was interested, but one topic, in a half dozen or so parts, stuck in my head. According to this futurist:

** in the next 18 months, advances in battery technology will allow solar panel and wind turbine technology to effectively store all their generated energy.
** these same advances will allow a solar panel in Fairbanks be as effective as collecting and storing needed energy as a solar panel in Scottsdale, but the panel in Scottsdale could generate additional, un-needed at the source energy.
** all this additional energy will be sent back into the grid, reducing if not eliminating the need for any type of power generating systems.
** in the next 36 months, homeowners will quickly be able to take advantage of this technology and will be able to remove themselves from the energy grid. He estimated an initial investment in the technology would pay itself off in three years. Effective energy independence for the average homeowner.

The reason I write this is because this futurist (John Houle) predicted that the manpower, investment and execution of this Homeowner Energy Independence shift will employ more, spend and generate more, and be more important to the growth of the US and the world than all the monies, people and information needed for the duration of Silicon Valley, the Information Age and computers.

This investment and honest economic activity would effectively eliminate any concern over inflation, unemployment or recession.

(04-12-2009 08:18 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  I was at a conference on Wednesday, and the main speaker was a "futurist".

Pretty interesting, I'd write more if anyone was interested, but one topic, in a half dozen or so parts, stuck in my head. According to this futurist:

** in the next 18 months, advances in battery technology will allow solar panel and wind turbine technology to effectively store all their generated energy.
** these same advances will allow a solar panel in Fairbanks be as effective as collecting and storing needed energy as a solar panel in Scottsdale, but the panel in Scottsdale could generate additional, un-needed at the source energy.
** all this additional energy will be sent back into the grid, reducing if not eliminating the need for any type of power generating systems.
** in the next 36 months, homeowners will quickly be able to take advantage of this technology and will be able to remove themselves from the energy grid. He estimated an initial investment in the technology would pay itself off in three years. Effective energy independence for the average homeowner.

The reason I write this is because this futurist (John Houle) predicted that the manpower, investment and execution of this Homeowner Energy Independence shift will employ more, spend and generate more, and be more important to the growth of the US and the world than all the monies, people and information needed for the duration of Silicon Valley, the Information Age and computers.

This investment and honest economic activity would effectively eliminate any concern over inflation, unemployment or recession.

(04-12-2009 09:41 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I fully agree...Technology and those in search of profit in the free market are probably our only shot at derailing disaster. Government along with Welfare and the people who willing abuse it and live off the hard work of others do NOT produce or innovate. They only consume, pollute and stagnate progress.

(04-12-2009 01:17 AM)RobertN Wrote:  I don't remeber you bitching about Bush and the Republicans when they had control for 6 years.

(04-12-2009 01:17 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(04-11-2009 11:18 PM)West Is the Best Wrote:  For the first time in my life I am concerned about the future of our country.
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I see a modern day Rome, with Nero playing the fiddle, as Rome burns.

I don't remeber you bitching about Bush and the Republicans when they had control for 6 years.

(04-12-2009 02:39 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  That's what happens when you start policy that allows the federal government to take something over. When you start things like NCLB or the Patriot Act, you may have good intentions but you leave the window open for any schmuck who shall get into office to use the policy for their own agenda.

(04-12-2009 10:43 AM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  I think these guys will be here soon...

(04-12-2009 08:18 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  I was at a conference on Wednesday, and the main speaker was a "futurist".

Pretty interesting, I'd write more if anyone was interested, but one topic, in a half dozen or so parts, stuck in my head. According to this futurist:

** in the next 18 months, advances in battery technology will allow solar panel and wind turbine technology to effectively store all their generated energy.
** these same advances will allow a solar panel in Fairbanks be as effective as collecting and storing needed energy as a solar panel in Scottsdale, but the panel in Scottsdale could generate additional, un-needed at the source energy.
** all this additional energy will be sent back into the grid, reducing if not eliminating the need for any type of power generating systems.
** in the next 36 months, homeowners will quickly be able to take advantage of this technology and will be able to remove themselves from the energy grid. He estimated an initial investment in the technology would pay itself off in three years. Effective energy independence for the average homeowner.

The reason I write this is because this futurist (John Houle) predicted that the manpower, investment and execution of this Homeowner Energy Independence shift will employ more, spend and generate more, and be more important to the growth of the US and the world than all the monies, people and information needed for the duration of Silicon Valley, the Information Age and computers.

This investment and honest economic activity would effectively eliminate any concern over inflation, unemployment or recession.

(04-12-2009 08:24 AM)Tripster Wrote:  

(04-12-2009 08:18 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  I was at a conference on Wednesday, and the main speaker was a "futurist".

Pretty interesting, I'd write more if anyone was interested, but one topic, in a half dozen or so parts, stuck in my head. According to this futurist:

** in the next 18 months, advances in battery technology will allow solar panel and wind turbine technology to effectively store all their generated energy.
** these same advances will allow a solar panel in Fairbanks be as effective as collecting and storing needed energy as a solar panel in Scottsdale, but the panel in Scottsdale could generate additional, un-needed at the source energy.
** all this additional energy will be sent back into the grid, reducing if not eliminating the need for any type of power generating systems.
** in the next 36 months, homeowners will quickly be able to take advantage of this technology and will be able to remove themselves from the energy grid. He estimated an initial investment in the technology would pay itself off in three years. Effective energy independence for the average homeowner.

The reason I write this is because this futurist (John Houle) predicted that the manpower, investment and execution of this Homeowner Energy Independence shift will employ more, spend and generate more, and be more important to the growth of the US and the world than all the monies, people and information needed for the duration of Silicon Valley, the Information Age and computers.

This investment and honest economic activity would effectively eliminate any concern over inflation, unemployment or recession.

Yeah, the "Futurist" said the exact same thing about "Nuclear Power Plants" about 30 to 40 years ago too .....

I sure hope the Solar Panel Industry is as strikingly successful at producing Cheap to Free Power like the Nuclear Plants do now ....

OBAMA !!!!!!! "YES WE CAN" (OH NO, OH SH't, They Did !!!!!)

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(04-12-2009 09:41 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(04-12-2009 08:18 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  I was at a conference on Wednesday, and the main speaker was a "futurist".

Pretty interesting, I'd write more if anyone was interested, but one topic, in a half dozen or so parts, stuck in my head. According to this futurist:

** in the next 18 months, advances in battery technology will allow solar panel and wind turbine technology to effectively store all their generated energy.
** these same advances will allow a solar panel in Fairbanks be as effective as collecting and storing needed energy as a solar panel in Scottsdale, but the panel in Scottsdale could generate additional, un-needed at the source energy.
** all this additional energy will be sent back into the grid, reducing if not eliminating the need for any type of power generating systems.
** in the next 36 months, homeowners will quickly be able to take advantage of this technology and will be able to remove themselves from the energy grid. He estimated an initial investment in the technology would pay itself off in three years. Effective energy independence for the average homeowner.

The reason I write this is because this futurist (John Houle) predicted that the manpower, investment and execution of this Homeowner Energy Independence shift will employ more, spend and generate more, and be more important to the growth of the US and the world than all the monies, people and information needed for the duration of Silicon Valley, the Information Age and computers.

This investment and honest economic activity would effectively eliminate any concern over inflation, unemployment or recession.

I fully agree...Technology and those in search of profit in the free market are probably our only shot at derailing disaster. Government does NOT produce or innovate. It only consumes,pollutes and stagnates progress.