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- T-Monay820 - 09-25-2003 07:24 PM
David Limbaugh's new book, "Persecution: How Liberals Are Waging War Against Christianity," will make you cry for your country. (But don't pray for your country if you're anywhere near a public school!) Released this week, Limbaugh's copiously researched book documents how the courts, the universities, the media, Hollywood and government institutions react to any mention of Christianity like Superman recoiling from kryptonite, Dracula from sunlight, or Madonna from soap and water. His straight, factual narrative of what is happening in our public schools makes you wonder how much longer America can survive liberalism.
In a public school in St. Louis, a teacher spotted the suspect, fourth-grader Raymond Raines, bowing his head in prayer before lunch. The teacher stormed to Raymond's table, ordered him to stop immediately and sent him to the principal's office. The principal informed the young malefactor that praying was not allowed in school. When Raymond was again caught praying before meals on three separate occasions, he was segregated from other students, ridiculed in front of his classmates, and finally sentenced to a week's detention.
Before snack time in her kindergarten class in Saratoga Springs, N.Y., little Kayla Broadus held hands with two of her classmates and recited this prayer: "God is good, God is great, thank you, God, for my food." The alert teacher pounced on Kayla, severely reprimanded her, and reported her to the school administration. In short order, the principal sent a sternly worded letter to Kayla's parents advising them that Kayla was not allowed to pray in school, aloud or with others.
The school board then issued a triumphant press release crowing about its victory over a kindergartner praying before snack time. Thus was creeping theocracy in Saratoga Springs stopped dead in its tracks! Kayla's mother brought a lawsuit, winning Kayla the right to pray out loud. But she was still prohibited from holding hands with others while she prayed. Hearing the G-word in kindergarten might interfere with the school's efforts to teach proper sexual techniques in the first grade.
Thanks to the vigilance of an alert teacher at Lynn Lucas Middle School outside of Houston, two sisters carrying Bibles were prevented from bringing their vile material into a classroom. The teacher stopped the students at the classroom door and marched them to the principal's office. (Maybe it was just the sight of public school students carrying a book of any kind that set off alarm bells.) The sisters' mother was called and warned that the school intended to report her to Child Protective Services. When the mother arrived, the teacher threw the Bibles in the wastebasket, shouting, "This is garbage!"
In another display of tolerance at Lynn Lucas Middle School, school administrators snatched three students' books with covers displaying the Ten Commandments, ripped the covers off, threw them in the garbage, and told the students that the Ten Commandments constituted "hate speech." (Also, it would be insensitive to expose the Ten Commandments to students who had never been taught to count to 10.)
After the massacre at Columbine High School, students and families were invited to paint tiles above student lockers. The school district had taken all reasonable precautions, immediately deploying an army of secular "grief counselors" with teddy bears to descend on the school after the attack. Nonetheless, some students painted their tiles with "objectionable" messages, such as: "4/20/99: Jesus Wept" and "God Is Love." This would not stand: The school removed 90 tiles with offending religious messages.
A federal court upheld the school's censorship of the religious tiles. Of course, Columbine school officials had earned a measure of deference after having inculcated such a fine sense of morality in their students that two boys could walk into school one day and stage a bloody massacre. You don't argue with a track record like that.
Not all mentions of religion constitute "hate speech." In Tupelo, Miss., school administrators methodically purged all Christmas carols of any religious content -- and then led the children in a chant of: "Celebrate Kwanzaa!" At Pattison Elementary school in Katy, Texas, Christmas songs are banned, but students are threatened with grade reductions for refusing to sing songs celebrating other religious faiths.
In New York City, the chancellor of the Department of Education prohibited the display of Nativity scenes in public schools, while expressly allowing the Jewish menorah and the Islamic star and crescent to be displayed. Some would say that was overkill inasmuch as New York City is already the home of the world's largest public display built in commemoration of Islam: Ground Zero.
Between issuing laws prohibiting discrimination against transgendered individuals and running up a $38 billion deficit, the California Legislature mandated a three-week immersion course in Islam for all seventh-graders. A "crash course" in Islam, you might call it, if that weren't so ironic. Students are required to adopt Muslim names, plan a trip to Mecca, play a jihad game, pray to "Allah, the Compassionate" and to chant "Praise to Allah! Lord of Creation!" They are encouraged to dress in Muslim garb. Students are discouraged, however, from stoning girls at the school dances, abusing their "Jew" math teachers or blowing up their classmates.
A popular student textbook, "Across the Centuries," treats the Inquisition and Salem witch-hunts as typical of Christianity, but never gets around to mentioning the Muslims' conquest of Spain, the Battle of Tours, or the execution of Jews in Qurayza. Or 9/11.
There is no surer proof of Christ's divinity than that he is still so hated some 2000 years after his death. Limbaugh's "Persecution" covers it all in staggering, heartbreaking detail. His methodical description of what is happening in our public schools alone will call to mind the hate speech banned in Columbine: "Jesus Wept."
- T-Monay820 - 09-25-2003 07:24 PM
This is so pathetic. Liberals gotta gripe about something.
- SSJT - 09-25-2003 08:49 PM
So you take some incidents at public schools with idiot administrators and teachers who clearly violated student's rights, and interpret it into liberals waging war against Christianity. Wow, you sure do look at the big picture. Liberalism is not forcefully preventing kids from praying, no matter how much you'd like it to be.
- GDawgs88 - 09-26-2003 06:25 PM
That article is absoloutly disgusting. Can someone tell me who it's hurting when these kids are praying in school?
- T-Monay820 - 09-26-2003 10:16 PM
SSJT Wrote:So you take some incidents at public schools with idiot administrators and teachers who clearly violated student's rights, and interpret it into liberals waging war against Christianity. Wow, you sure do look at the big picture. Liberalism is not forcefully preventing kids from praying, no matter how much you'd like it to be.Its the liberals that demand no prayer in school. Its the liberals that demand "politcal correctness", such as not saying God in school. Its the liberals that say the Bible is inappropriate for school. Sounds like this is the work of liberals here.
- The Peoples Champion - 09-27-2003 03:08 AM
T-Monay820 Wrote:In a diverse place such as america, there is no room to add a theological bias to a public domain, especially in school, where children are beyond impressionable. I would just as much say this if the Koran, Upanishads, or any other religious text were placed in an american public school.SSJT Wrote:So you take some incidents at public schools with idiot administrators and teachers who clearly violated student's rights, and interpret it into liberals waging war against Christianity. Wow, you sure do look at the big picture. Liberalism is not forcefully preventing kids from praying, no matter how much you'd like it to be.Its the liberals that demand no prayer in school. Its the liberals that demand "politcal correctness", such as not saying God in school. Its the liberals that say the Bible is inappropriate for school. Sounds like this is the work of liberals here.
I see what you're saying, but to some degree, the bible is not appropriate for school. If you want a christian application of the bible, it would be better to apply virtues that america promotes, some of which are present in all of the religions. If you think that the bible should be applied, I suggest you go to a catholic/christian secondary school.
(a little fatigued, i hope that my point is coherent)
- Rebel - 09-27-2003 09:47 AM
Hey Champ, read this:
Quote:Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or <span style='color:red'>prohibiting the free exercise thereof</span>; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
The school, a government institution, canNOT prohibit someone from bringing their own bible, koran, torah, etc., and it canNOT prohibit them from praying, on their own time, IN the school. The school is owned by the people, NOT the teachers, the principle, or the board of education.
....and if it disrupts other students because they are offended by what they see, other students praying or reading their religious text on their own time, then it is the offended students problem. The law doesn't prohibit someone from being offended and any law that DOES will most certainly violate the 1st amendment...and while we are doing that, I suggest we also stifle liberal's speech as well.
Nah, I like the idea of the 1st amendment for everyone.
- nate jonesacc - 09-27-2003 11:04 AM
a) I bring a Bible to school every day and no public administrator has the right to, or can, stop me.
b) This is not liberals waging war against Christianity... don't even pretend like it is.
- T-Monay820 - 09-27-2003 12:25 PM
I think they might have gone a bit far with the idea of "war on Christianity", but I think the liberals are really trying hard to piss people off here. But what the liberals are responsible for are their attempts to be 100% "PC" and beyond, meaning interpreting the seperation of church and state beyond its true meaning. But I think the idea of a "war on Christianity in school" would be a better description of this column.
- nate jonesacc - 09-27-2003 12:56 PM
It's more like "a couple idiotic school admins waging war on a couple Christians at some schools"...
- SSJT - 09-27-2003 04:30 PM
nate jonesacc Wrote:It's more like "a couple idiotic school admins waging war on a couple Christians at some schools"...you got it
- Rebel - 09-28-2003 09:35 PM
nate jonesacc Wrote:b) This is not liberals waging war against Christianity... don't even pretend like it is.Sure it is. Conservatives don't support this as all. Most teachers are members of the NEA, a VERY Liberal group.
- nate jonesacc - 09-29-2003 02:56 PM
RebelKev Wrote:NONE of what you said supports your ridiculous "liberals start war on Christianity" claim... AT ALL... So I guess if no conservatives support the action, then it's a liberal war against Christianity then... huh?nate jonesacc Wrote:b) This is not liberals waging war against Christianity... don't even pretend like it is.Sure it is. Conservatives don't support this as all. Most teachers are members of the NEA, a VERY Liberal group.
:rolleyes:
- Rebel - 09-29-2003 03:20 PM
nate jonesacc Wrote:Liberals are generally opposed to individualism. That's an individual right and they are, for the most part, opposed to it. You will not find a conservative that supports taking a privately-owned Bible away from a student in a public school.RebelKev Wrote:NONE of what you said supports your ridiculous "liberals start war on Christianity" claim... AT ALL... So I guess if no conservatives support the action, then it's a liberal war against Christianity then... huh?nate jonesacc Wrote:b) This is not liberals waging war against Christianity... don't even pretend like it is.Sure it is. Conservatives don't support this as all. Most teachers are members of the NEA, a VERY Liberal group.
:rolleyes:
....and if you don't think the NEA is a wing of the Democratic party, you are lacking in the intelligence department.
Her rights were violated. Why are YOU not up in arms over that?
- nate jonesacc - 09-29-2003 04:56 PM
RebelKev Wrote:a) That STILL has no bearing on this supposed "war" you're talking about...nate jonesacc Wrote:Liberals are generally opposed to individualism. That's an individual right and they are, for the most part, opposed to it. You will not find a conservative that supports taking a privately-owned Bible away from a student in a public school.RebelKev Wrote:NONE of what you said supports your ridiculous "liberals start war on Christianity" claim... AT ALL... So I guess if no conservatives support the action, then it's a liberal war against Christianity then... huh?nate jonesacc Wrote:b) This is not liberals waging war against Christianity... don't even pretend like it is.Sure it is. Conservatives don't support this as all. Most teachers are members of the NEA, a VERY Liberal group.
:rolleyes:
....and if you don't think the NEA is a wing of the Democratic party, you are lacking in the intelligence department.
Her rights were violated. Why are YOU not up in arms over that?
b) I really don't care and the Democratic party (regardless of whether or not there are official ties to the NEA and the Democratic party) is not a "liberal organization". THE NEA DOES NOT SPEAK FOR ALL LIBERALS.
c) I think it's disgusting and find it offensive. In no way shape or form is this some kind of liberal war vs. Christianity.
- Rebel - 09-29-2003 05:57 PM
nate jonesacc Wrote:When did "I" specifically state that the Liberals were waging war on Christianity? MY contention is, and THIS is documented EVERYWHERE, the liberals are waging a war against individualism. Read boy, read.RebelKev Wrote:a) That STILL has no bearing on this supposed "war" you're talking about...nate jonesacc Wrote:Liberals are generally opposed to individualism. That's an individual right and they are, for the most part, opposed to it. You will not find a conservative that supports taking a privately-owned Bible away from a student in a public school.RebelKev Wrote:NONE of what you said supports your ridiculous "liberals start war on Christianity" claim... AT ALL... So I guess if no conservatives support the action, then it's a liberal war against Christianity then... huh?nate jonesacc Wrote:b) This is not liberals waging war against Christianity... don't even pretend like it is.Sure it is. Conservatives don't support this as all. Most teachers are members of the NEA, a VERY Liberal group.
:rolleyes:
....and if you don't think the NEA is a wing of the Democratic party, you are lacking in the intelligence department.
Her rights were violated. Why are YOU not up in arms over that?
b) I really don't care and the Democratic party (regardless of whether or not there are official ties to the NEA and the Democratic party) is not a "liberal organization". THE NEA DOES NOT SPEAK FOR ALL LIBERALS.
c) I think it's disgusting and find it offensive. In no way shape or form is this some kind of liberal war vs. Christianity.
- Rebel - 09-29-2003 05:58 PM
...and the DNC IS a liberal organization, aside from a few moderates and conservative Dems like Zell Miller, that will eventually be pushed out by the likes of people like Hitlery and that drunk f-er Ted Kennedy. Be offended. Then ask is I give a rat's ******.
- SSJT - 09-30-2003 05:35 AM
putting all partisanship behind, the title of this thread made me burst out laughing